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Spanish minister proposes €20k ‘universal inheritance’ from age of 18

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#61

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No. And every spanish is in 35,000 eur debt.

Private debt is actually around $90k per inhabitant. But somehow this figure (private debt being more than 200% of GDP) is generally overlooked in favor of discussion about public debt…

Because private debt is each individual responsibility. Public debt is the money of all tax payers

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And meanwhile everybody from 18 to 30+ that lives paycheck to paycheck, without a possibility of getting into a mortgage, without being financially stable enough to become parents, get nothing. Also, "everybody" will get 20k? Even people that are rich? What is the reasoning behind that? Too many edges to sand down in this proposal.

Whole UBI idea is just for make citizens more dependent on state rather than free market. Capitalism vs socialism.

Tbh, I'm not against a Basic Income. I'm against the "Universal" part. A basic income should be something handed out to those in need of it and they should be helped so they can stop relying on it.

Thus handing out 20k to everybody no matter their situation seems like a really bad idea to me.

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whole UBI idea is just for make citizens more dependent on state rather than free market. Capitalism vs socialism.

Tbh, I'm not against a Basic Income. I'm against the "Universal" part. A basic income should be something handed out to those in need of it and they should be helped so they can stop relying on it. Thus handing out 20k to everybody no matter their situation seems like a really bad idea to me.

Isn't that what we already have? Social benefits for those who really nees them?

Re: Spanish minister proposes €20k ‘universal inheritance’ from age of 18

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I think that would be a great idea. Except that I would put the age of receiving that inheritance at about 30. It's one of the ironies of life that when you are young you have time but no money, and when you are old you have money and no time. Think how great it would be if you got that money while you were still young enough to use it, and old enough to use it wisely.

As a spanish who pays 47% PIT and a ton more taxes including 21% VAT, tax for having a property (only one!) and that I see how much money is wasted on top of a 113% official GDP debt... and I can tell you tjat to pay what I pay you do not need to make even 80,000 eur/year. Who do you propose it should pay those 20,000? This woman, who talks to people as if they were 10 yo or less, said "the rich people". Do you know…

no inventes, no pagas 47% ni de coña

Re: Spanish minister proposes €20k ‘universal inheritance’ from age of 18

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Experience with what? A sudden 20k windfall? This will create an industry that is centered solely around milking 30 year-olds for every penny they're worth as soon as they turn 30 and then drop them like a hot potato. This will drive up prices immensely because there's a continuous stream of people turning thirty and your hard-earned 20k is worth the same as their 20k that just fell from the sky. It's a completely in…

It's a people problem not a tech... sorry, money problem.

Money problems are economic problems.

Economic problems are people problems.

Re: Spanish minister proposes €20k ‘universal inheritance’ from age of 18

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Private debt is actually around $90k per inhabitant. But somehow this figure (private debt being more than 200% of GDP) is generally overlooked in favor of discussion about public debt…

Because private debt is each individual responsibility. Public debt is the money of all tax payers

When a significant proportion of private debt is housing, it's the entire society's problem. (And the subprimes crisis illustrated the problem in a very obvious fashion).

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As a spanish who pays 47% PIT and a ton more taxes including 21% VAT, tax for having a property (only one!) and that I see how much money is wasted on top of a 113% official GDP debt... and I can tell you tjat to pay what I pay you do not need to make even 80,000 eur/year. Who do you propose it should pay those 20,000? This woman, who talks to people as if they were 10 yo or less, said "the rich people". Do you know…

no inventes, no pagas 47% ni de coña

Cuando tu salario pasa de 62000 pagas 47% de IRPF a partir de ese tramo. ¿Qué pasa si ganas 110.000? Que se te llevan la mitad a partir de 62000, un auténtico saqueo. Y hay muchos más imopuestos indirectos e IVA, IBI, basuras, matriculación... Espera, que sé lo que vas a decirme... que gano demasiado. Así nos va, que todo el mundo se va. Yo también me fui. He vuelto por la familia básicamente. Se pagan barbaridades en España. Y luego cualquier funcionario con una oposición de menos de dos años con un trabajo súper cómodo, con plaza en propiedad, vacaciones, jornadas estrictamente de 8 horas, días moscosos, alrededor de 2000 euros... eso es lo que le pagan a muchos ingenieros en España con años de experiencia, o un poco más. Por eso nos vamos. Porque, ¿tú sabes quién paga eso, verdad? Efectivamente. Los saqueados.

Luego se dirá por ahí que se está por el progreso y alguna que otra cosa. Si le pagas lo mismo al chófer del autobús o a los de movilidad urbana que a uno con una carrera técnica que cuesta de sacar y es altamente útil, pues se te van. Y esto lo digo con todo mi respeto para los chóferes o quien sea, pero lo que pasa es lo lógico.

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As a spanish who pays 47% PIT and a ton more taxes including 21% VAT, tax for having a property (only one!) and that I see how much money is wasted on top of a 113% official GDP debt... and I can tell you tjat to pay what I pay you do not need to make even 80,000 eur/year. Who do you propose it should pay those 20,000? This woman, who talks to people as if they were 10 yo or less, said "the rich people". Do you know…

Eres us spaniard no un spanish. No sé porque pero el inglés no es racional.

Soy lo que tú quieras, pero ahí he dejado mi testimonio :)

Re: Spanish minister proposes €20k ‘universal inheritance’ from age of 18

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Private debt is actually around $90k per inhabitant. But somehow this figure (private debt being more than 200% of GDP) is generally overlooked in favor of discussion about public debt…

Because private debt is each individual responsibility. Public debt is the money of all tax payers

Exactly. It does not affect me directly. I do not have private debt.

The public debt is the fact that someone decided that you will pay for something and get in debt through taxes. Out of control and totally unfair.

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