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Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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I thought Musk had said that there is nothing worth stealing from Twitter because it’s codebase was so bad https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/twitter-down-elon-musk-ex...

Trade secrets is not code.

Fine. What is it then?

Could you give a generic example of the sort of secret an employee might take out of Twitter and use to build a competing product?

By the way, Musk didn't specify "code" either.

Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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Isn't Threads just Instagram with optional text posts? Same old proprietary obfuscated mess, locked garden, meh, no thanks.

I mean, while I'm no fan of Facebook, it appears to be a lot less of a locked garden than Twitter. You can view full threads on the web (you can't do that with Twitter anymore, without logging in), and they are apparently going to support ActivityPub (though I suspect in practice a lot of Mastodon and other ActivityPub instances will defederate; I can't imagine that Facebook's moderation will be adequate).

Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It aims to be interoperable via the activitypub protocol no?

That's true. Although I think any respectable instance/entity has already gone ahead and blocked federation with Threads.

It's mostly smaller ones which have pre-emptively promised to defederate; a lot of the big ones are taking a wait and see approach. Though it's hard to imagine that Facebook's moderation will be adequate, and I expect a lot of those will defederate once the crypto spam starts coming through.

Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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post #148

I thought Musk had said that there is nothing worth stealing from Twitter because it’s codebase was so bad https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/twitter-down-elon-musk-ex...

Trade secrets is not code.

I think they stole the core concept from Twitter - engage users and then show ads. Sue them

Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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Great news for tech workers imo. Part of the tech labor market downturn has been driven by skepticism over the costs: if Twitter can slash its workforce and keep running just fine, why can’t other companies? Well, Threads swooping in to rapidly drain Twitter’s market share might change that reasoning.

Very clearly Twitter has not been able to run fine since firing so much of their workforce. The confusion here is because of 2 things:

1. Many people who were commenting on how this would adversely affect Twitter were doing it solely because they didn’t like Musk, as opposed to an understanding of how software development works. So these people were basically predicting that Twitter would stop working entirely in 2 weeks. But that’s not how software is developed. If it was, engineers would never be able to take a vacation and major web apps would all start failing on Jan 1.

Those who understood how software development worked recognized that what we would see instead is a slow decay in software quality where things would consistently become slightly worse. Also, we’d see a complete inability to change major functionality without causing problems. Finally, there might be a few big bang failures (eg the domain name expires, but no one with access to the domain is still hired by Twitter anymore) but those would be few and far in between and would take time to uncover (although it does appear Twitter has faced at least one such situation).

Twitter is indeed facing these situations.

2. The real threat to Twitter was always competition. In a competitive environment staying still is a death trap since your competitors will outpace you. There are a few reasons why Twitter has largely escaped this so far. (a) Twitter’s business is a fundamentally bad business model with a lot of hassles most businesses simply don’t want to deal with. (b) a misconception by many competitors that there was something fundamentally wrong with Twitter that needed to be addressed.

(b) is why Bluesky and Threads have been the most successful Twitter alternatives. They’ve basically been Twitter clones and are not trying to fundamentally change the model. Of course, Bluesky is now basically getting crushed by Meta’s resources and existing user base, but they were fundamentally ok the right track and could have been competitive if they were able to reach technical parity earlier.

Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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post #162

Great news for tech workers imo. Part of the tech labor market downturn has been driven by skepticism over the costs: if Twitter can slash its workforce and keep running just fine, why can’t other companies? Well, Threads swooping in to rapidly drain Twitter’s market share might change that reasoning.

Reddit's CEO stated that what Elon did to Twitter was a model he'd like Reddit to follow. Although Reddit's changes are fresh, it has declined both in quality and esteem from copying this business style. I expect further decline if they follow this road. As for the companies that aren't following Elon's lead: they are flourishing. We have enough data points now to say it authoritatively. Slash and burn is not effecti…

In Musk’s defense, I think there is something to the idea that most tech companies were a little too bloated. Especially with the hiring during the pandemic based on unrealistic valuations and future expectations.

But this is another area where Zuck beat Musk because Meta addressed this issue in a much more sensible way which involved considered changes in workforce as opposed to Musk’s impetuous unthought through slash and burn style.

Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really possible to say how many people are "working on" Threads, I bet. Threads is using Meta infrastructure. Should all those employees count towards Threads employees? How about HR? Legal? Internal tools? Building staff? Security? etc etc.

I'm not particularly interested in Twitter itself, I just disagree that many of the products we use today require a large number of developers. Its easy to find many examples of apps that were challenging to build even just 10 years ago, that are somewhat trivial now. That trend will only continue. OpenAI only had ~100 employees at one point. You don't need 100s of operations people if you move from on-prem to server…

> I just disagree that many of the products we use today require a large number of developers.

In a non competitive world this might be true (although I have my doubts). In a competitive free market world it isn’t because a competitor can then beat you by hiring more developers and delivering more features faster than you could.

> Its easy to find many examples of apps that were challenging to build even just 10 years ago, that are somewhat trivial now.

The consequence of this isn’t that people continue using those tiny apps. The consequence is that people’s expectations increase dramatically. There was a time Evernote was a Unicorn. Today, even though building a product like Evernote would still be fairly challenging, it’s considered a feature.

> You don't need 100s of operations people if you move from on-prem to serverless,

I have not yet, in practice, seen overall spend go down by moving to serverless. You may have fewer ops people, but you now need more devs to achieve the same work because a lot of ops has been shifted to devs. That being said, I’ve often seen serverless not even lead to a reduction in ops.

> Many products that required 1000s of people 10 years ago, may only require 100s today. To me this is just a fact

This does not come close to matching reality. In the late 90s early 2000s you and a handful of other devs could build a multimillion dollar product using Visual Basic which only ran on Windows and was distributed as a binary to be run by your clients and it would be a best in class product.

Today, you would need a designer, web developers, and someone with experience in pushing it to production and securing it to simply build an MVP version that ran on browsers. In addition you would need another set of iOS developers and another set of Android developers. Heck, you may even need an Apple Watch and iPad app to be competitive. All of this would probably be required to simply make your app competitive, never mind best in class.

What your comment appears to be missing is that with software development becoming easier, what changes most is an increase in customer expectations.

Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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This is not a move that a company makes from a position of strength. I like Musk and frequently defend his decisions, and there's no love lost between me and Meta. But Musks's trigger happy litigiousness is pathetic. His obsession with scrapers scraping public content is extremely cringe and betrays his fundamental misalignment with the open web. The fact that Zuck is planning to make Threads compatible with Activity…

Indeed, money trumps idealism perhaps. Or idealism trumps money. Given his actions negative effect on Tesla it truly seems like he doesn't care about money, perhaps he just sees Threads as a dangerous woke competitor to Twitter.
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