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Post by 28304283409234 »

smoldesu wrote: post #49
sergiotapia wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> It also claims stolen secrets, codebases and digital assets. Wouldn't put it past The Zucc. You wouldn't put it past Zuck ? Friendly reminder to everyone that Tesla knowledgeably violated GPL for years until they were forced into compliance: https://www.theregister.com/2018/05/21/tesla_inches_toward_g... I don't trust for a second that Elon's team knows what they're talking about here.

What has that fact about Tesla have to do with the opinion about Zuck?

Nothing.

Diversion is what-about-ism.

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Post by Timon3 »

jimmygrapes wrote: post #147
smoldesu wrote: post #110

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Him and Jobs both. The way things are headed now, I suspect the Elon biopic will give them all a run for their money.

Please cast Kevin Durant for the role

My money is still on character actress Margo Martindale.

Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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Post by drumhead »

sergiotapia wrote: post #31
ncallaway wrote: post #8

Maybe the facts will bear out that there’s a case here, but my default position is one of skepticism. I guess one takeaway for me is if you don’t want your competitor to hire a bunch of your former employees, don’t make a bunch of your employees former employees.

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It gives people a choice, if they want the more moderated experience they can go with threads, if they want a more free for all then Twitter. Competition is a good thing.

Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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Post by barrysteve »

sergiotapia wrote: post #31
ncallaway wrote: post #8

Maybe the facts will bear out that there’s a case here, but my default position is one of skepticism. I guess one takeaway for me is if you don’t want your competitor to hire a bunch of your former employees, don’t make a bunch of your employees former employees.

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Stolen secrets is a weird one as Elon has said patents are for cowards and kept SpaceX tech out of patents for fear of nation-state actors stealing secrets.

He knows how to keep a secret from another countries' spies and then wants to also play legal hardball in murkey waters between Meta and Twitter?

His character is consistently inconsistent.

Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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Post by 3cats-in-a-coat »

danpalmer wrote: post #106
sergiotapia wrote: post #31

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As an engineer this doesn’t pass even a cursory look. Entirely different brands, tech stacks, and the products just work differently. What can they possibly have taken. I dislike Musk/Zuck as much as anyone, but I do believe that Meta can build a Twitter clone in 6 months on their infrastructure, and with their product folks.

You have to wonder about Elon Musk's "first principle" thinking if he lashes out in such basic ways that defy basic engineering intuition.

Twitter's source code is valuable to Twitter, much like Twitter's engineers and their institutional knowhow were valuable to Twitter (before Musk fired them by the thousands).

But outside Twitter, taking their code and assets and trying to awkwardly graft them onto Meta/Instagram's stacks would not only not help, but actually slow them down and cause the product's functionality and stability to suffer.

Twitter's layoffs represent pure loss to Twitter, and much less gain to anyone else. Trying to spin it as if the nature of Twitter's operation is some big valuable secret is such cringe coming from leadership that supposedly prides itself on being technical and hands-on.

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Post by bandyaboot »

atleastoptimal wrote: post #61
ncallaway wrote: post #8

Maybe the facts will bear out that there’s a case here, but my default position is one of skepticism. I guess one takeaway for me is if you don’t want your competitor to hire a bunch of your former employees, don’t make a bunch of your employees former employees.

It's the same attitude Steve Jobs had about former employees going to Google to make Chrome. What makes Jobs and Musk such effective CEOs is they're very possessive and vindicative.

Musk was an effective CEO for Tesla and SpaceX because he didn’t care that people thought he couldn’t succeed in doing what he was trying to do. Based on his personality, I suspect his success is in no small part due to those people saying he would fail. He’s a total failure as Twitter’s pretend not-CEO because he’s allowed his mind to be infected with culture war politics.

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Post by quitit »

tehbeard wrote: post #150
ncallaway wrote: post #8

Maybe the facts will bear out that there’s a case here, but my default position is one of skepticism. I guess one takeaway for me is if you don’t want your competitor to hire a bunch of your former employees, don’t make a bunch of your employees former employees.

Or, you know, handle their termination with some care to honouring their contracts if you expect them to honour anything NDA / no compete for a while after...

Meta have already stated that no former twitter employees worked on Threads.

That's not all that surprising though, Meta could obviously build such a product from their own learnings and IP.

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Post by robocat »

molave wrote: post #118
ncallaway wrote: post #8

Maybe the facts will bear out that there’s a case here, but my default position is one of skepticism. I guess one takeaway for me is if you don’t want your competitor to hire a bunch of your former employees, don’t make a bunch of your employees former employees.

Makes sense. However, I hope no one takes this the wrong way and hire too many people to starve competitors of talent.

An analysis using some reasonable assumptions suggests that is not a profitable idea for major tech companies.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24487744

Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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Post by bandyaboot »

sangnoir wrote: post #143
JohnFen wrote: post #58

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Right now in a lawsuit, apparently! I think that the Elon/Zucc fight thing makes them both look ridiculous and childish and I've been enjoying that aspect of it (it doesn't matter even a little who wins, they both lose). This lawsuit strikes me the same way.

I'm looking forward to one (or both) getting - in order of preference: a black eye, knocked out teeth, KO'd, loss consciousness and/or loss of bowel control. The hero-worshipping of billionaires is harmful IMO, having that rolled back a little will do us all some good. Besides, seeing any billionaire hit so hard he shits himself live is great TV.

> I'm looking forward to one (or both) getting - in order of preference: a black eye, knocked out teeth, KO'd, loss consciousness and/or loss of bowel control.

That’s a pretty good list, but I’d add “meteor strike” to the end of it.

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Post by appleflaxen »

throwaway844 wrote: post #89
chasing wrote: post #35

I'm curious what exactly X is claiming Meta stole? The interface and interaction model is basically just social media best practices that have been evolved by numerous people and companies over the past 20-30 years. Seemingly nothing so complex that it needs to be stolen from another company. Barely any art assets. Dirt-simple interfaces. Under-the-hood, I assume Meta was able to launch this quickly because it's larg…

I recall this past winter when Elon claimed that Twitter’s tech was so bad it needed a “complete and total rewrite.” https://twitter.com/goldman/status/1605438532260048896?lang=... Whatever Meta did or didn’t steal, sounds like he shouldn’t consider it particularly advantageous anyway /s

That's an incredible point!

IANAL but it seems like a compelling defense.

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