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Twitter doesn't have a single trade secret or important technology worth stealing. Replicating it is a social problem, not a technical one.

I've written a twitter clone in PHP once, it's not hard. Throw in some Ajax to auto refresh, and you'd have something similar to what they have been using this whole time.

It's easy to handle 100 users. It's difficult to make it (timeline, search, and other stuff) work for 10e7 users (though Meta already do).

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I'm curious what exactly X is claiming Meta stole? The interface and interaction model is basically just social media best practices that have been evolved by numerous people and companies over the past 20-30 years. Seemingly nothing so complex that it needs to be stolen from another company. Barely any art assets. Dirt-simple interfaces. Under-the-hood, I assume Meta was able to launch this quickly because it's larg…

I would imagine a majority of hours on this were product managers doing evaluation rather than engineers writing code. Even if those PMs came from Twitter I can't imagine their insights being particularly proprietary.

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When is the Elon/Zucc fight happening, anyways?

Right now in a lawsuit, apparently! I think that the Elon/Zucc fight thing makes them both look ridiculous and childish and I've been enjoying that aspect of it (it doesn't matter even a little who wins, they both lose). This lawsuit strikes me the same way.

I'm looking forward to one (or both) getting - in order of preference: a black eye, knocked out teeth, KO'd, loss consciousness and/or loss of bowel control. The hero-worshipping of billionaires is harmful IMO, having that rolled back a little will do us all some good. Besides, seeing any billionaire hit so hard he shits himself live is great TV.

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Do you agree or disagree that techproducts today are easier to build than 15 years ago? Everything else is irrelevant. Technology drives abstractions which drive deflation by allowing fewer people to produce more goods. This has been proven and observed for thousands of years Companies can thrive while overemploying people, but eventually they get undercut by one that doesn't

You're conflating two different topics: 1. "Its easy to find many examples of apps that were challenging to build even just 10 years ago, that are somewhat trivial now." Correct. It's easier now to build apps that we used 10-15 years ago. 2. "Do you agree or disagree that techproducts today are easier to build than 15 years ago?" Incorrect. Tech product complexity has increased in many ways in the last 15 years (and…

Is there a giant difference in complexity between 100 million MAU and 3 billion MAU? It seems like "being present in Andorra" has the complexity, not the order of magnitude more users.

That said, being present in Andorra is probably necessary to get to 3 billion MAU but not 100 million MAU.

Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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Great news for tech workers imo. Part of the tech labor market downturn has been driven by skepticism over the costs: if Twitter can slash its workforce and keep running just fine, why can’t other companies? Well, Threads swooping in to rapidly drain Twitter’s market share might change that reasoning.

Are there really more than a few hundred people working on Threads? I believe Twitter had ~7,500 at its peak. Even if Threads succeeds, its not going to be because they have meaningfully more employees. Cloning twitter is a fairly easy technical problem nowadays... in contrast to early 2010s era of no-cloud, poor infra management and so on

Most of those 7500 were not engineers. They were moderators, sales, support, HR, etc

The moderation, whatever people personally think of it now, has certainly suffered from an advertiser perspective, which is why they left. It was a mistake to fire many of them.

The sales people with relationships to advertisers left, and so again did many advertisers.

It's apparently impossible to get your account reinstated if you were banned, because there is no more support.

People had pay issues due to lack of HR and also lost benefits, so they left.

On top of that, almost all the features they shipped were in the works before the company was bought, so they didn't really ship anything. Stability was worse and users left. They are flocking to Threads because it's stable. Remaining devs continued to trickle away as the work environment became intolerable.

Basically every aspect of his experiment was a failure. I'm sure Twitter could have cut 10-15% and been okay but what Musk did absolutely did not work. All those things managers talk about, those reasons to treat your people well: cratering morale after layoffs, increasing attrition, dead sea effect, loss of institutional knowledge, it's all true, and just what everyone expected.

The only thing to learn from Twitter's fall is that they were right. Great experiment I guess? Really validated some things we had all seen small scale or intuited.

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The Zucc's shinanigans and backstabbing is so famous they made an award winning, and fan-favorite movie about it!

Him and Jobs both. The way things are headed now, I suspect the Elon biopic will give them all a run for their money.

Please cast Kevin Durant for the role

Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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You're conflating two different topics: 1. "Its easy to find many examples of apps that were challenging to build even just 10 years ago, that are somewhat trivial now." Correct. It's easier now to build apps that we used 10-15 years ago. 2. "Do you agree or disagree that techproducts today are easier to build than 15 years ago?" Incorrect. Tech product complexity has increased in many ways in the last 15 years (and…

Is there a giant difference in complexity between 100 million MAU and 3 billion MAU? It seems like "being present in Andorra" has the complexity, not the order of magnitude more users. That said, being present in Andorra is probably necessary to get to 3 billion MAU but not 100 million MAU.

> That said, being present in Andorra is probably necessary to get to 3 billion MAU but not 100 million MAU.

Exactly. You know those undersea cables that Google laid? Or Facebook's controversial "Free Basic" internet program in India?

At a certain point you start to run out of people, and need to go to great lengths to get more people on the internet and using your services. And then you need to start a financial relationship with those people.

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Maybe the facts will bear out that there’s a case here, but my default position is one of skepticism. I guess one takeaway for me is if you don’t want your competitor to hire a bunch of your former employees, don’t make a bunch of your employees former employees.

Or, you know, handle their termination with some care to honouring their contracts if you expect them to honour anything NDA / no compete for a while after...
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