GPT-4 API General Availability

Post by astrange » Fri, Jul 07, 2023, 2:11 AM UTC

esperent wrote: post #311

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> * Use of cheap human labor in developing countries through shady anonymous companies (look up the company Sama who pay Kenyan workers about $1.5 an hour). If you pay a developing country developed country wages what you'll get is 1. inflation and 2. the government mad at you because all their essential workers/doctors/government officials are quitting to work for you.

This is a terrible excuse that I see trotted out far to often to justify going to developing countries and barely even paying workers that country's minimum wage. You absolutely can pay considerably more than minimum wage without disrupting the local economy. They're paying people as low as $1.32 per hour for an absolutely horrible job. I'm not expecting them to pay western wages. But even bumping that up to $2.50 or…

Post by vore » Fri, Jul 07, 2023, 2:14 AM UTC

jiggawatts wrote: post #329

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You've clearly not experienced the reality of enterprise then. You're opinions are based on a limited understanding and knowledge of real life situations when it comes to this sort of stuff.

I’ve only worked in big enterprise and big government for over two decades. I know exactly how this works. When someone has power, they will use it. In small, petty ways, or big “do me favours for access” ways.

Post by ineedasername » Fri, Jul 07, 2023, 2:27 AM UTC

jiggawatts wrote: post #307

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They simply want control over the rollout of their product and how it is used. That, and perhaps opening the flood gates would produce scaling bottlenecks they’d rather stay ahead of than get behind. So they open things carefully, pull back when necessary like when they limited use of the public GPT-4 version of ChatGPT. That doesn’t seem too unreasonable. And yes sure, some amount of it might be attempts to manufact…

There's no scaling issues to speak of. These AIs are stateless , which makes them embarrassingly parallel. They can always just throw more GPUs at it. Microsoft even had some videos where they bragged about how these models can be run on any idle GPU around the world, dynamically finding resources wherever it is available! If there's not enough GPUs at a certain price point, raise prices. Then lower prices later when…

Post by hnfong » Fri, Jul 07, 2023, 2:29 AM UTC

esperent wrote: post #311

astrange wrote: post #294

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> * Use of cheap human labor in developing countries through shady anonymous companies (look up the company Sama who pay Kenyan workers about $1.5 an hour). If you pay a developing country developed country wages what you'll get is 1. inflation and 2. the government mad at you because all their essential workers/doctors/government officials are quitting to work for you.

This is a terrible excuse that I see trotted out far to often to justify going to developing countries and barely even paying workers that country's minimum wage. You absolutely can pay considerably more than minimum wage without disrupting the local economy. They're paying people as low as $1.32 per hour for an absolutely horrible job. I'm not expecting them to pay western wages. But even bumping that up to $2.50 or…

Post by bestcoder69 » Fri, Jul 07, 2023, 2:29 AM UTC

ftxbro wrote: post #352

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It’s not a “random pip”. The maintainer is a well-known open source developer (one of the creators of Django and Datasette). It’s also a very small codebase – not many places for malicious code to hide.

OK but I mean I don't know them and it could have been someone pretending to be them, and probably it's easily possible to trick me about API keys. We are discussing it on a hacker news website do you seriously think tricks couldn't be hidden in a repo like that.