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Ubuntu 23.10’s New Software App Will Demote Debs (Apparently)

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Re: Ubuntu 23.10’s New Software App Will Demote Debs (Apparently)

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Post by jamesbfb »

retrocryptid wrote: post #2

Just another reminder I need to move back to stock Debian or BSD.

I’m a long time Debian user but I have recently fallen down the rabbit hole that is NixOS. I’m still ways away from moving my entire dev environment to NixOS, but I definitely see it’s appeal.

Re: Ubuntu 23.10’s New Software App Will Demote Debs (Apparently)

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Post by srvmshr »

Often, great engineering products start out crisp and clean until the product manager, sales and marketing guys, growth managers and evangelists step in and start adding antipatterns. I am not surprised Ubuntu did it. I am surprised they did it so late. They were slow-cooking this for the last 5 years. And for anyone unwilling to see it: Ubuntu wasn't about building a solid engineering product like RHEL, Debian or Slackware. It was always cashing on making a fork (i.e Debian unstable) more usable. Their core interest is increasing number of installs everywhere, not bringing the next engineering marvel. Flatpak serves that cause beautifully. They only have to worry about sandbox & containers part for software others build.

Ubuntu has tried bold moves - like trying to replace Xorg with Mir. That failed because Mir was raw. But this one might just. Making deb packages second class citizens in a Debian derived OS is so unfortunate.

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Post by greenspam »

jamesbfb wrote: post #4
retrocryptid wrote: post #2

Just another reminder I need to move back to stock Debian or BSD.

I’m a long time Debian user but I have recently fallen down the rabbit hole that is NixOS. I’m still ways away from moving my entire dev environment to NixOS, but I definitely see it’s appeal.

Why not nix on Debian? So you have the benefit of both.

Re: Ubuntu 23.10’s New Software App Will Demote Debs (Apparently)

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Post by jcastro »

jjice wrote: post #7

So why does Ubuntu push Snaps so hard? They've been doing this for year and I still have no idea, since pretty much everyone I know would rather a deb file (myself included). What's their gain?

The linux desktop is in the middle of moving to a zero trust model: https://www.ypsidanger.com/the-distribution-model-is-changin...

Re: Ubuntu 23.10’s New Software App Will Demote Debs (Apparently)

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Post by JohnFen »

jjice wrote: post #7

So why does Ubuntu push Snaps so hard? They've been doing this for year and I still have no idea, since pretty much everyone I know would rather a deb file (myself included). What's their gain?

My hypothesis is that if everyone used snaps, it would reduce the complexity of packaging by reducing or eliminating dependencies that need to be installed separately.

Re: Ubuntu 23.10’s New Software App Will Demote Debs (Apparently)

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Post by JohnFen »

jcastro wrote: post #8
jjice wrote: post #7

So why does Ubuntu push Snaps so hard? They've been doing this for year and I still have no idea, since pretty much everyone I know would rather a deb file (myself included). What's their gain?

The linux desktop is in the middle of moving to a zero trust model: https://www.ypsidanger.com/the-distribution-model-is-changin...

Damn, that was a depressing read. If that's how things are going, then it really is past time for me to stop using Linux entirely. This is feeling like the final straw in a series of things that have been pushing me away.
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