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Re: Stanford Graduate Students Won Their Union Vote

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Twitter rate limited me (no blue check) could someone screenshot this?

> Twitter rate limited me (no blue check) could someone screenshot this? Just open it in a private window. Twitter is no longer blocking logged-out views (at least for now).

Do we know if it rates limits those of us without the bird?

Also interesting, it's making a call to "UserByTestId" which fails every time I refresh the page while trying to find the rate limit. My dev tools network tab is Christmas colours.

Re: Stanford Graduate Students Won Their Union Vote

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Twitter rate limited me (no blue check) could someone screenshot this? Just open it in a private window. Twitter is no longer blocking logged-out views (at least for now).

Do we know if it rates limits those of us without the bird? Also interesting, it's making a call to "UserByTestId" which fails every time I refresh the page while trying to find the rate limit. My dev tools network tab is Christmas colours.

I can’t imagine many engineers or others with actual talent are still sticking around there.

Re: Stanford Graduate Students Won Their Union Vote

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post #7

Good for them! Academia is a toxic and broken environment, and this seems like a great first step in fixing it. Interested to see how the dynamic plays out at Stanford, and if other American universities follow suit.

It will be interesting. Some federal grants seem to have pay limit maximums lower than the new minimum pay requirement.

Maybe this will have the effect of sending more federal grant money to lower cost of living research institutes. That could be an interesting outcome.

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Are graduate students employees in the USA? I know in Europe there are universities where that is the case.

That's a surprisingly complex question.

I started a PhD at NYU just as the graduate student unionization happened. IIRC, at NYU only graduate students who were actively teaching in a given semester or had a specific type of research grant were considered members of the union. First year PhDs at NYU were generally not covered, because in that case your salary was simply the generic PhD fellowship and you didn't count as a worker.

The union essentially negotiated on behalf of all students, and for example won an increase in the PhD stipend that applied to everyone. But there were some benefits (family cash assistance perhaps?) that you could only get if you were in the worker category.

Re: Stanford Graduate Students Won Their Union Vote

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post #7

Good for them! Academia is a toxic and broken environment, and this seems like a great first step in fixing it. Interested to see how the dynamic plays out at Stanford, and if other American universities follow suit.

Alas, I'm not sure a union can begin to fix anything except a few cosmetic things. The biggest problem is the massive oversupply of people who want academic careers versus the number of real jobs. The individual unions at the schools can't tackle this oversupply at all because it's caused by the schools acting independently. The natural game is to protect the insiders by restricting admission like many of the other unions like the AMA that actively campaign against too many doctors.

Indeed, the unions risk the bad optics of campaigning to reduce new admits in order to maintain opportunities for those already in the pipeline. In other words, slamming the door shut on people who want to learn all to restrict supply of work for the privileged.

I suppose the unions might be able to help in the rare case of a real jerk of a professor who mistreats her students, but I think most professors are smart enough to play passive aggressive games instead. The schools nurture the ability to act passive aggressively.

The rest of the time, the students in the union are going to waste their time arguing about something instead of working on their dissertation, the one thing that will spring them from the jail.

Re: Stanford Graduate Students Won Their Union Vote

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Contents of tweet for people with rate-limiting and other Twitter-related issues:

Text: We won. [heart emoji] [fist emoji]

Image: Logo of the union with text overlay. The logo is a circle containing the words "Stanford Graduate Workers Union" around the top and lightning bolts around the bottom. The center of the circle contains line art of a pair of hands holding a tree with smooth hills in the background. Large text at the top says "We won!" in a cursive font and slightly smaller text at the bottom says "94% YES" in block letters.

A follow-up tweet states that there will be a victory day party tomorrow (July 7th) at 6:00pm at Manzanita Field. The party will feature drinks, music, and snacks.

Re: Stanford Graduate Students Won Their Union Vote

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It was a disaster at Wisconsin. Union favored the 8th year humanities students at the expense of the 1 and 2 year STEM students, and traded cash for benefits that really only affected people with families. Stipends were the lowest in the country among major research universities, and the union refused to let wages rise for in-demand TAs, so a bunch of them went off and got private sector jobs instead, limiting the size of the undergrad population. Scott Walker killed it, and those problems haven't come back.

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post #18

It was a disaster at Wisconsin. Union favored the 8th year humanities students at the expense of the 1 and 2 year STEM students, and traded cash for benefits that really only affected people with families. Stipends were the lowest in the country among major research universities, and the union refused to let wages rise for in-demand TAs, so a bunch of them went off and got private sector jobs instead, limiting the si…

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Re: Stanford Graduate Students Won Their Union Vote

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post #18

It was a disaster at Wisconsin. Union favored the 8th year humanities students at the expense of the 1 and 2 year STEM students, and traded cash for benefits that really only affected people with families. Stipends were the lowest in the country among major research universities, and the union refused to let wages rise for in-demand TAs, so a bunch of them went off and got private sector jobs instead, limiting the si…

> Union favored the 8th year humanities students at the expense of the 1 and 2 year STEM students

Having been a one-time 1st or 2nd year STEM student, I think this is the proper decision.

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