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Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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Didn't Twitter open source a large portion of the code base? Seems like that isn't going to help their case.

I don't know the specifics, but the license included with that code will specify what can and can't be done with it. ~~Not all open source is free to use in your own code base. Sometimes it is open sourced for review purposes.~~

Edited: the last line is incorrect.

Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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> It also claims stolen secrets, codebases and digital assets. Wouldn't put it past The Zucc. You wouldn't put it past Zuck ? Friendly reminder to everyone that Tesla knowledgeably violated GPL for years until they were forced into compliance: https://www.theregister.com/2018/05/21/tesla_inches_toward_g... I don't trust for a second that Elon's team knows what they're talking about here.

The Zucc's shinanigans and backstabbing is so famous they made an award winning, and fan-favorite movie about it!

Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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Whose responsibility is it to prove these claims? Do our courts put the burden on the accuser or the accused to prove these? I hope Twitter has to spend the money upfront and come up with proof rather than just filing a frivolous lawsuit and making the other party spend.

In a civil case, the burden of proof is on the plaintiff. The plaintiff doesn't have to prove their case entirely, they only have to convince the judge (or jury) that the claim is "more likely than not" to be true. This is a lower level of proof than in a criminal case, where the standard is "beyond a reasonable doubt".

Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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Lmao. Zuckerberg would beat the ego out of Musk.

My completely uninformed opinion is Zuck looks kinda ripped. Even though Musk is heavier and taller, I think Zuck could take him. But Newsweek, that bastion of factual reporting on objective reality, says London bookies are giving Musk better odds: https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-mark-zuckerberg-cage-figh...

Musk has like 6 inches and 60lbs on Zuck

Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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Are there really more than a few hundred people working on Threads? I believe Twitter had ~7,500 at its peak. Even if Threads succeeds, its not going to be because they have meaningfully more employees. Cloning twitter is a fairly easy technical problem nowadays... in contrast to early 2010s era of no-cloud, poor infra management and so on

It's not really possible to say how many people are "working on" Threads, I bet. Threads is using Meta infrastructure. Should all those employees count towards Threads employees? How about HR? Legal? Internal tools? Building staff? Security? etc etc.

I'm not particularly interested in Twitter itself, I just disagree that many of the products we use today require a large number of developers.

Its easy to find many examples of apps that were challenging to build even just 10 years ago, that are somewhat trivial now. That trend will only continue. OpenAI only had ~100 employees at one point.

You don't need 100s of operations people if you move from on-prem to serverless, for example. Today, social media requires the most people in content moderation/support, rather than development. Tomorrow those people are likely to be supplanted by LLMs or similar more tailored AI moderation models.

Many products that required 1000s of people 10 years ago, may only require 100s today. To me this is just a fact

Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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Maybe the facts will bear out that there’s a case here, but my default position is one of skepticism. I guess one takeaway for me is if you don’t want your competitor to hire a bunch of your former employees, don’t make a bunch of your employees former employees.

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As an engineer this doesn’t pass even a cursory look. Entirely different brands, tech stacks, and the products just work differently. What can they possibly have taken.

I dislike Musk/Zuck as much as anyone, but I do believe that Meta can build a Twitter clone in 6 months on their infrastructure, and with their product folks.

Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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Maybe the facts will bear out that there’s a case here, but my default position is one of skepticism. I guess one takeaway for me is if you don’t want your competitor to hire a bunch of your former employees, don’t make a bunch of your employees former employees.

It's the same attitude Steve Jobs had about former employees going to Google to make Chrome. What makes Jobs and Musk such effective CEOs is they're very possessive and vindicative.

Don't mistake correlation with causality.

Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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Lmao. Zuckerberg would beat the ego out of Musk.

My completely uninformed opinion is Zuck looks kinda ripped. Even though Musk is heavier and taller, I think Zuck could take him. But Newsweek, that bastion of factual reporting on objective reality, says London bookies are giving Musk better odds: https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-mark-zuckerberg-cage-figh...

Depends who buys the better steroids/drug cocktails. I hope that by some miracle of money and medical malpractice they both come out looking like the hulk and bane from batman.

Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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> Twitter knows that these employees previously worked at Twitter; that these employees had and continue to have access to Twitter’s trade secrets [...] This sentence is clearly trying to establish liability by accusing Meta of wilful infringement of Twitter’s rights (i.e. it acted in full knowledge of these fact, even though they may lead to violation of the employees’ restrictive covenants, etc.), as evidenced by t…

Doesn’t have to be a mistake. Twitter knows that people who used to work for Twitter now work for Meta. Seems perfectly fine to me.

Meta purposely had ex-Twitter employees that it hire not work on Threads.

Re: Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]

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> It also claims stolen secrets, codebases and digital assets. Wouldn't put it past The Zucc. You wouldn't put it past Zuck ? Friendly reminder to everyone that Tesla knowledgeably violated GPL for years until they were forced into compliance: https://www.theregister.com/2018/05/21/tesla_inches_toward_g... I don't trust for a second that Elon's team knows what they're talking about here.

The Zucc's shinanigans and backstabbing is so famous they made an award winning, and fan-favorite movie about it!

Him and Jobs both. The way things are headed now, I suspect the Elon biopic will give them all a run for their money.
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