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Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Post by tombert »

zmgsabst wrote: post #83
tombert wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really think that you're prescribing stuff to me based on stereotypes you have in regards to other lefties. That's fair enough, I do that sometimes as well, but I really just think you're wrong. I do not agree with the statement "sit down and shut up" in really any regard.

Then as I originally said, perhaps you should consider the motivations behind your original reply — for the reasons I articulated. If you don’t think you support institutional Asian hate by voting for Democrats, why would you make the accusations you did? What is the motivation?

I think you could make an argument that you're responsible for the "full package" of the politician you vote for. That's why I conceded that it might be fair enough to lump me in with that group.

I also didn't make "accusations", I said that I thought it was bizarre that someone would change their political positions just because someone was mean to them. I stand by that...I think that's a weird thing to do. If Bernie Sanders personally sent me a message saying "Tombert is a real douchebag", I'm not going to suddenly start going to MAGA rallies, because my political opinions aren't about people liking me.

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Post by lisasays »

kelipso wrote: post #43
robbywashere_ wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically there seems to be no shortage of fluoride conspiracy theories or “waters turning the frogs gay” but actual chemicals and toxins … ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Fluoride lowering IQ is not a conspiracy theory, it's a proven fact. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41390-020-0973-8

That isn't what the article says. It isn't even evaluation of other people's research, let alone novel research in itself. It's a "perspective" article commenting on human behavior.

Meanwhile researchers who have conducted proper meta-analyses of the literature have come to a negative conclusion on this topic:

In conclusion, based on the totality of currently available scientific evidence, the present review does not support the presumption that fluoride should be assessed as a human developmental neurotoxicant at the current exposure levels in Europe.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32382957/

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Post by [deleted] »

purpleblue wrote: post #38
superkuh wrote: post #2

And not just the tap water. Eating a fish meal out of the Mississippi in Minnesota (by 3M) will give you a month's worth of PFOS if you were just drinking contaminated tap water. It's a real shame because the Mississippi mercury levels were finally down enough to eat fish.

The fact that we can't eat fish normally is something that all Americans should be mad as hell about. CEOs of chemical plants and their families should be forced to live within 1 mile of one of their plants. Things would get cleaned up right away. I have a friend who loved sushi and she ate it at least once a week, if not more. Her daughter was born in the bottom 1% of size, so they took a blood test and her blood wa…

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Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Post by boringg »

kelipso wrote: post #43
robbywashere_ wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically there seems to be no shortage of fluoride conspiracy theories or “waters turning the frogs gay” but actual chemicals and toxins … ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Fluoride lowering IQ is not a conspiracy theory, it's a proven fact. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41390-020-0973-8

Your bar for "proven facts" is very low - you might want to reconsider what you read as truth and put a bit more of a filter on. I say this for your own benefit - as nothing you do bears on my life.

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Post by zmgsabst »

tombert wrote: post #91
zmgsabst wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then as I originally said, perhaps you should consider the motivations behind your original reply — for the reasons I articulated. If you don’t think you support institutional Asian hate by voting for Democrats, why would you make the accusations you did? What is the motivation?

I think you could make an argument that you're responsible for the "full package" of the politician you vote for. That's why I conceded that it might be fair enough to lump me in with that group. I also didn't make "accusations", I said that I thought it was bizarre that someone would change their political positions just because someone was mean to them. I stand by that...I think that's a weird thing to do. If Berni…

The reply is that they obviously didn’t: they merely prioritize other issues — just as you prioritize other issues ahead of not supporting organized racism towards Asians.

The inference they changed their opinion on those topics, rather than prioritized something else (eg, not being vilified) is a bad faith inference directly contradicted by their post, which explains why they changed their vote explicitly.

If I were to use your logic, then I’d conclude that you are personally racist towards Asians — because you vote for a party that is. But that would both be incorrect and an act of bad faith.

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Post by pierat »

phpisthebest wrote: post #16
tourmalinetaco wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would be more productive, then, would be awareness campaigns for filters that can be bought and used at home to reduce said chemicals and ideally dispose of them in ecologically safe ways.

At the end of the day I do not believe this is a national matter in the first place, No where in the Constitution does congress have the authority to regulate drinking water in the first place, outside the bastardization of the commerce clause So it should be left up to state regulators to set what they feel are the best for their states. EPA could play a role in ensuring One state does not pollute another state, but…

You ignored my other comment regarding how clean water is indeed a Constitutionally mandated power. Having a safe and secure access and usage of water is definitely part of the "general welfare" within Art 1 Sec 8. And no, water doesn't have to be explicitly listed. "General welfare" is a much wider term, that can encompass more and more, as minimum humanity standards increase.

"General welfare" is also a way that the EPA can run, and actually mandate strong changes to reverse massive pollution, and act strongly against climate change. Having high humidity and heat can and will make areas unlivable for humans.

(And I do agree that the commerce clause being used everywhere is a load of garbage in much of its applications.)

Given that in Article 1 Section 8 is the following:

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

highlight: "provide for the common Defense and general Welfare"

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Post by cglace »

purpleblue wrote: post #38
superkuh wrote: post #2

And not just the tap water. Eating a fish meal out of the Mississippi in Minnesota (by 3M) will give you a month's worth of PFOS if you were just drinking contaminated tap water. It's a real shame because the Mississippi mercury levels were finally down enough to eat fish.

The fact that we can't eat fish normally is something that all Americans should be mad as hell about. CEOs of chemical plants and their families should be forced to live within 1 mile of one of their plants. Things would get cleaned up right away. I have a friend who loved sushi and she ate it at least once a week, if not more. Her daughter was born in the bottom 1% of size, so they took a blood test and her blood wa…

They would probably just have reverse osmosis filters installed for their entire house.

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Post by hombre_fatal »

ekleraki wrote: post #79
kelipso wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fluoride lowering IQ is not a conspiracy theory, it's a proven fact. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41390-020-0973-8

From the ąrticle [1] references [2]: > fluoride intake levels (0.93 [0.43] vs 0.30 [0.26] mg of fluoride per day; P = .001). > Children had mean (SD) Full Scale IQ scores of 107.16 (13.26), range 52-143, with girls showing significantly higher mean (SD) scores than boys: 109.56 (11.96) vs 104.61 (14.09); P = .001. The average IQ of people in the UK is 99.12 and in Canada 99.52 [3]. Let us suppose that the hypothesis…

> We observe that the average consumption of Fluoride is about an order of magnitude larger in the UK, yet, IQs are almost identical. Which hints that if such a relationship exists, it is not as pronounced (5 IQ points) as the article claims.

Ecological comparisons are towards the bottom of the evidence hierarchy because there are any number of cofounders at play.

For example you could accidentally conclude that smoking is healthy because smoking tracks with affluence in poorer countries.

So I would reject the notion that we should or shouldn’t see IQ differences in very different populations which is why you want to do controlled research on different cohorts in the same population.

Finally, a causal mechanism is only a cherry on top but it’s not necessary for strong causal inference. Our mechanistic explanations are repeatedly wrong and/or inexhaustive. Fortunately, we can perform good quality studies instead like mendelian randomization.

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Post by nwellinghoff »

I have been running a 5 stage RO and DI unit for 20 years for my drinking water and aquarium water. It costs about 200 upfront and about 60 a year in media. Very cheap and easy for clean water. Pair it up with a 5lb co2 tank and you have infinite fizzy water as well. Highly recommend. Solve it at the end point.

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

mcherm wrote: post #70
purpleblue wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who was a life-long liberal, but worked their ass off to become a 1%er, I 100% believe that the Democrats are using people like me as scapegoats and it makes me furious. I worked and studied when my classmates or coworkers were partying, made good choices, and now I enjoy a nice life because of it. But now all of a sudden, because I make over $400,000 I "don't pay my fair share of taxes", according to Eliz…

I don't want to talk you out of opposition to the Democratic party or to vilification of ANYONE, including the wealthy. But I DO have a perspective you might be missing: You write: > As someone who [...] worked their ass off to become a 1%er [...] I worked and studied when my classmates or coworkers were partying, made good choices, and now I enjoy a nice life because of it. I, like you, work fairly hard and have bec…

I’m retired now after a pretty middle class career, and am well aware of how much of my success was essentially luck. I have a reasonably high IQ (not my doing), was born into a family that, while poor, instilled middle class values (again not my doing), was born with a skin color that matched the majority (do I need I to keep saying not my doing?) I lucked into a career which suited me, in an economy that worked very differently than it does now. And I was lucky enough not to have any major health problems during all of this.

A lot of people seem to think of themselves as self-made, without realizing the number of folks who worked just as hard as they think they did without seeing anywhere near the same success.

Maybe something will happen at some point to make them open their eyes, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

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