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Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by dragonwriter »

sib wrote: post #415
coldpie wrote: post #398

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Imagine not being "satisfied" with a ~85th percentile wage[1]. Anyone who earns more than $150k/yr should be forced to spend 6 months every 5 years working a minimum wage retail job. They can keep earning their normal salary in escrow until they're done with their "get some damn perspective" temp job. [1] https://dqydj.com/average-median-top-household-income-percen...

I think most of the founders on HN are far above the 85th percentile in intelligence (let's not get into the philosophical arguments about it), so why would they be satisfied with that?

Because, being over 85th percentile in intelligence, they would be more likely than average to realize that the marginal impact of income on experienced utility declines sharply the higher you go on the income distribution. (Especially if they’ve experienced life at a variety of income levels, including some near the 85th percentile.)

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by eviks »

BaseballPhysics wrote: post #98
hu3 wrote: post #67

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That's why I use https://github.com/laurent22/joplin It's markdown, open-source, free. With desktop and mobile support. Syncs notes to any cloud of your choice for free. (I use One Drive) Optionaly you can pay them to sync your data on their cloud. So they even have a compelling business model!

Personally, I just use markdown text files+vimwiki on my laptop, along with Markor for Android, and Syncthing to get my notes where I need 'em, but in the end the principle is the same: Own Your Damn Data!

But that's not a reliable sync mechanism without a server or a better format like CRDT:(

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by firexcy »

echelon wrote: post #10
yuppie_scum wrote: post #2

I just copy pasted all my notes into Obsidian, which doesn’t constantly nag me to subscribe

I really love Obsidian, I still have some major blockers. The git plugin is dangerously broken. I've had pushes from different computers overwrite one another. It doesn't show merge conflicts - it's happy to plow forward. I've reduced my usage since that happened. This is a huge problem. I need to have confidence the backups and merges aren't destroying notes. There's no easy way to open multiple workspaces simultane…

The git plugin allows you to disable it on certain devices. I enable it only on my main computer and sync the vault among devices with syncthing, which I find much more reliable than wholly relying on git.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by RDaneel0livaw »

bosie wrote: post #460
TooManyProjects wrote: post #337

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I tried using iCloud to sync for a year and went back to Obsidian Sync. I’m not sure exactly what the culprit was, but frequently, I would find my ToDo note (which was used the most) would be stuck and fail to sync for days. Rebooting the stick machine would clear the issue. I was using two Macs and my iPhone at the time.

because it uses icloud drive. and that syncs poorly and on its own schedule. it would sometimes take a day or so to get a file from my mac studio to my macbook. it is crazy how bad icloud is.

my wife and I share stuff within icloud and we both HATE IT SO MUCH. It's truly mind boggling how bad it is, and continues to be, in 2023. Photos sometimes sync, sometimes they don't. Cool. Sometimes rebooting the phone makes them sync, other times not. Awesome. Sometimes shared notes get updated, other times they don't. Sometimes shared note invitations just never arrive at all, for no discernible reason. Sweet. It took us 4 attempts to do a shared Home app invitation. The first 3 times it just never showed up.

We HATE HATE HATE icloud so much but our only other option is to switch everything to Android and I hate Google more than I hate Apple, so ....... we just stick with icloud and its absolute shittiness.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by ryanjamurphy »

PhoenixReborn wrote: post #123
belthesar wrote: post #79

I feel like Evernote is a prime example of the pains of trying to convert free users to paying users for the same features, something we see in many VC funded software from its era. Once you give something away, it's damn near impossible to take it back, even if you plead your case as honestly as Evernote did. Evernote was great. Honestly, it was worth paying for. But they gave away the farm too early, and folks feel…

Also Obsidian is a small team (< 5 people IIRC?) and they don't have to monetize as aggressively to make back the money that VCs have funded them with.

The count depends on if you include the cat: https://obsidian.md/about

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by RDaneel0livaw »

stevefan1999 wrote: post #252

In case if you want some Evernote alternatives, here's my shortlist: 1. Trilium Notes: https://github.com/zadam/trilium 2. AppFlowy: https://github.com/AppFlowy-IO/AppFlowy 3. Affine: https://github.com/toeverything/AFFiNE 4. Joplin: https://github.com/laurent22/joplin 5. Dendron: https://github.com/dendronhq/dendron (requires VSCode) As a programmer I liked Dendron the most but if you want it to be packed with absol…

I've been using StandardNotes for years and been happy with them. Is there a reason I should look elsewhere at these or other alternatives? It's just interested I am not seeing this product mentioned anywhere here!

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by coffeeling »

ubermonkey wrote: post #413
smarx007 wrote: post #397

My use of Evernote has been replaced with two apps a few years ago when they abandoned native apps: 1. https://obsidian.md/ for all the notes. 2. https://archivebox.io/ for almost all webpage clippings.

But Obsidian is Electron, right? Not a native app?

Yes, but comparatively lightweight for being one. The devs don't use large frameworks like React and write pretty barebones JS. It shows.

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Post by kunjank »

manifest3r wrote: post #450
EchoReflection wrote: post #446

I've been "trapped" with evernote for a long time because I put more than a decade's worth of stuff into it, and their exporting tools are shit. Literally I "exported" whole notebooks and what I got was just the titles of notes and no content. Ugh. Guess time to just sit down and spend a few hours doing tedious, tedious tasks for a while. Notion and Obsidian are great though.

Have you tried Notions Evernote importer? There are also quite a few Evernote to X applications exporters on Github

Do you have recommendations for exporter that preserves the notestack/notebooks?

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Post by ycombinete »

wkat4242 wrote: post #406
ycombinete wrote: post #78

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OneNote 2016 was revolutionary for me. Since then I’ve found it less and less usable with each new update. I think the tension between having a good web app and a good desktop app with the same interface is difficult to resolve.

Yes the simplified version that MS made was also much much crappier. The tabs for the different notebook disappeared and much of the functionality too :'( The syncing with Sharepoint also works pretty crap. I preferred when the database was just stored locally and I could choose where to store it. I'd love to get a new application just like this that works like the old OneNote. Without a whole cloud backing it which…

I’ve looked and it seems that one can still install the old 2016 OneNote. I still have a cd key out there somewhere. I’m going to give this a go.

I still manage to save my modern OneNote files locally. I save them to my Dropbox for syncing.

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