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Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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For those looking for a focused alternative to Evernote, check out minimal.app – I built Minimal as the antithesis of Evernote: instead of clutter and feature bloat, Minimal offers focus and simplicity. I love Minimal and use it every day, simply because it is the most focused notes app I could find. Minimal's most innovative feature is the Note Lifetime, whereby notes "die" when they go unedited for so many days. (T…

Can it record voice notes?

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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I feel like Evernote is a prime example of the pains of trying to convert free users to paying users for the same features, something we see in many VC funded software from its era. Once you give something away, it's damn near impossible to take it back, even if you plead your case as honestly as Evernote did. Evernote was great. Honestly, it was worth paying for. But they gave away the farm too early, and folks feel…

Remember Evernote had those physical notebooks where you could write in them with real pens and pay the subscription and then take a picture and upload them with OCR? That was the only thing I remember that you couldnt get for free.

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Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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In case if you want some Evernote alternatives, here's my shortlist: 1. Trilium Notes: https://github.com/zadam/trilium 2. AppFlowy: https://github.com/AppFlowy-IO/AppFlowy 3. Affine: https://github.com/toeverything/AFFiNE 4. Joplin: https://github.com/laurent22/joplin 5. Dendron: https://github.com/dendronhq/dendron (requires VSCode) As a programmer I liked Dendron the most but if you want it to be packed with absol…

Can any of these record voice notes?

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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For me, it's an example of a company messing up the technical side. I was a happy customer in the beginning. Until I didn't have an important note that I had prepared for a meeting, because it didn't sync to my phone. A few weeks later, it happened again. I lost trust in the app. Then the Android App got worse and worse. It sometimes didn't sync at all. Notes would conflict all the time, and I'd lose work. For some r…

Exactly. I would have happily paid them 10 bucks a month in inflation-adjusted 2012 dollars forever if they'd just maintained the apps and kept them up to date. Instead they focused on adding features few people wanted, and then completely rewrote the apps in Electron, resulting in a slow experience that was (and still is, years later) missing multiple core note-taking features, and is increasingly unreliable. I kept…

Electron is the single biggest scourge to end users since Windows ME.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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>Evernote CEO Phil Libin announced at the recent Le Web London conference that the company will soon set up a protected fund and include a legally binding guaratee that users’ data will be maintained for 100 years That almost sounds like a threat to commit a crime in certain jurisdictions. A lot has changed regarding how we talk about data in the last decade.

> legally binding guaratee that users’ data will be maintained for 100 years That almost sounds like a threat to commit a crime in certain jurisdictions. It’s (or was) the promise for you to be able to access your data for so long, provided you agree. Not hoarding private data against your will.

Seems like a lot of these replies are skipping over the “almost” in my comment. I was not being literal. I was pointing out that they simply assumed that all users would want this. There was no “provided you agree” disclaimer in their comments. If anything, the specifics of it being 100 years actually implies that consent isn’t even a consideration since we can assume that nearly all Evernote users will be dead in 100 years. It is a strange reminder that so few people were concerned about this sort of thing in 2012.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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I've migrated away from Evernote when they converted their MacOS and iOS apps from native to "Electron based". Simple things you expect from a "note taking app" to handle, like, search through text files, or "selecting multiple notes" were severely limited due to the technology limitations.

You could only select 50 items per time in the new "javascript" based desktop version, because that was too much state for react to handle.

The other thing that they broke was the apple pencil support. Using it would result in several seconds of latency.

I was a paying customer at this time, I've canceled my subscription entirely. I checked the app a few times after that to see if they managed to improve anything, the didn't. It only got worst.

So, if you have a native app, you have a moat with it, don't ruin your only opportunity to stand out.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Notion is markdown formatted text only right? Big difference with a full wysiwyg notebook with attachments. Afaik notion only does images. Devs love markdown but regular users don't. But it's been years since I tried notion so perhaps this has changed.

> But it's been years since I tried notion so perhaps this has changed. It has changed dramatically.

Hmm I'll try it out but I don't know... I don't really like cloud hosted stuff for this because it's very hard to liberate the information if I need to change (which, for the provider, is also a feature of course :) )

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

#439

For those looking for a focused alternative to Evernote, check out minimal.app – I built Minimal as the antithesis of Evernote: instead of clutter and feature bloat, Minimal offers focus and simplicity. I love Minimal and use it every day, simply because it is the most focused notes app I could find. Minimal's most innovative feature is the Note Lifetime, whereby notes "die" when they go unedited for so many days. (T…

Can it record voice notes?

I would consider dictation an OS feature nowadays.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

#440

I feel like Evernote is a prime example of the pains of trying to convert free users to paying users for the same features, something we see in many VC funded software from its era. Once you give something away, it's damn near impossible to take it back, even if you plead your case as honestly as Evernote did. Evernote was great. Honestly, it was worth paying for. But they gave away the farm too early, and folks feel…

I think it’s an example of trying to charge for things that are low value, and, more importantly, low cost. Storing text files in the cloud is super cheap. And having an app to easily edit those files is super cheap. It was free in the beginning because this is a “classic” software problem where it’s cheap to develop and close to $0 marginal dollars for a user. When Evernote started charging for dumb features and loc…

I agree that many of the features they were adding were useless (to me), but I disagree that you can encompass what they do with the description of storing and editing files. Their value was in the removing any concern a user might have about where a note is, both in terms of which device, and where on the device. There are a bunch of ways to sync and edit files, but I don't want to spend time or brain power on that, I want to capture bits of information and then be able to find it again without thinking about it. What I was buying was simplicity, reliability, ubiquity, and speed. They screwed up because they didn't seem to realize that was their core value proposition.
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