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Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by 1letterunixname »

phkahler wrote: post #382

All commercial software is rented . It's already been created and the marginal cost is Zero. You are ostensibly paying for bug fixes and new development, which is at least partly true in many cases. SaaS at least admits a rental model. Free Software is rent-free, but development may be slow.

Wrong. You're conflating on-prem and SaaS commercial software together as "rented", when the former can be delivered as a perpetually working product whereas the latter isn't.

FOSS isn't free to host, accessible to users of all experience levels, doesn't necessarily include support, and isn't guaranteed to have a license that isn't hostile to its intended use.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by ubermonkey »

smarx007 wrote: post #397

My use of Evernote has been replaced with two apps a few years ago when they abandoned native apps: 1. https://obsidian.md/ for all the notes. 2. https://archivebox.io/ for almost all webpage clippings.

But Obsidian is Electron, right? Not a native app?

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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stevefan1999 wrote: post #252

In case if you want some Evernote alternatives, here's my shortlist: 1. Trilium Notes: https://github.com/zadam/trilium 2. AppFlowy: https://github.com/AppFlowy-IO/AppFlowy 3. Affine: https://github.com/toeverything/AFFiNE 4. Joplin: https://github.com/laurent22/joplin 5. Dendron: https://github.com/dendronhq/dendron (requires VSCode) As a programmer I liked Dendron the most but if you want it to be packed with absol…

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Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by sib »

coldpie wrote: post #398
ghaff wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a founder you probably don’t get wealthy either and a lot aren’t really satisfied with a $150k/yr total comp/benefits for their successful lifestyle business.

Imagine not being "satisfied" with a ~85th percentile wage[1]. Anyone who earns more than $150k/yr should be forced to spend 6 months every 5 years working a minimum wage retail job. They can keep earning their normal salary in escrow until they're done with their "get some damn perspective" temp job. [1] https://dqydj.com/average-median-top-household-income-percen...

I think most of the founders on HN are far above the 85th percentile in intelligence (let's not get into the philosophical arguments about it), so why would they be satisfied with that?

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by cborenstein »

stevefan1999 wrote: post #252

In case if you want some Evernote alternatives, here's my shortlist: 1. Trilium Notes: https://github.com/zadam/trilium 2. AppFlowy: https://github.com/AppFlowy-IO/AppFlowy 3. Affine: https://github.com/toeverything/AFFiNE 4. Joplin: https://github.com/laurent22/joplin 5. Dendron: https://github.com/dendronhq/dendron (requires VSCode) As a programmer I liked Dendron the most but if you want it to be packed with absol…

I'm biased but I'd add--

- Obsidian: https://obsidian.md/

- Logseq: https://logseq.com/

- Reflect: https://reflect.app/

- Stashpad: https://stashpad.com/

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by smarx007 »

ubermonkey wrote: post #413
smarx007 wrote: post #397

My use of Evernote has been replaced with two apps a few years ago when they abandoned native apps: 1. https://obsidian.md/ for all the notes. 2. https://archivebox.io/ for almost all webpage clippings.

But Obsidian is Electron, right? Not a native app?

It is indeed Electron, but it has a much better linking story (don't even mention plugins [1]). Evernote being a native app was the last thing the held me as a paid customer with them. Also, the move to Electron was quite bumpy, they simply dropped half the features and it didn't recover until well over a year into the migration.

[1]: https://blacksmithgu.github.io/obsidian-dataview/

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by ndiddy »

crystalgurl wrote: post #396
ghaff wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a founder you probably don’t get wealthy either and a lot aren’t really satisfied with a $150k/yr total comp/benefits for their successful lifestyle business.

It was pretty nice to exit my startup for hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah, I don’t think I’d like to settle for $150k. YMMV, but I suppose a lot of folks are taking a calculated risk and swinging for the fences. More power to em, if you prefer software be a certain way write it yourself.

Agreed, sure I fucked over my customers after my startup was bought by Google, but I didn't really care because I was able to afford three yachts. I didn't even bother writing the shutdown message myself, I paid some dude on Fiverr to do it. Maybe 150k is fine if you're willing to settle for an above-ground pool in some shithole state in the Midwest, but if you want to spend your time where the true work happens, and collaborate with other innovators and founders in the only place that matters (bay area) you have to set your sights a bit higher.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by ghaff »

coldpie wrote: post #398
ghaff wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a founder you probably don’t get wealthy either and a lot aren’t really satisfied with a $150k/yr total comp/benefits for their successful lifestyle business.

Imagine not being "satisfied" with a ~85th percentile wage[1]. Anyone who earns more than $150k/yr should be forced to spend 6 months every 5 years working a minimum wage retail job. They can keep earning their normal salary in escrow until they're done with their "get some damn perspective" temp job. [1] https://dqydj.com/average-median-top-household-income-percen...

I assume someone running a very successful lifestyle business of this sort 1) Probably had a pretty good chance of making nothing at all or even lost money and 2) Could make more money with benefits etc. if they just took a job at a big company.

So, yes, they’ve done pretty well but they took a risk and still probably didn’t come close to maximizing comp even they had a rather good outcome.

And I just threw out the $150k number because it’s a very good outcome. Could just as easily be something a lot lower including negative.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by CoffeeOnWrite »

rcxdude wrote: post #388
neilv wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think Evernote’s problem is that it should have just stayed a 1-2 person company. For the owners/shareholders of that particular 1-2 person company, do they wish it had stayed one, or are they glad it didn't?

Good question which can only be answered by them. But given the amount of money they raised compared to their likely acquisition price (bending spoons has only raise slightly more capital to buy all the apps they are buying than evernote did for its development), I don't think they've walked away with much financially.

Yep. For the founders in particular though, who had the most influence early on in taking the VC path, odds are they took some money out along the way, perhaps quite a bit more than had they stayed small.
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