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Ask HN: Stuck as a developer for 15 years. How to become a manager?

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Re: Ask HN: Stuck as a developer for 15 years. How to become a manager?

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post #20

Management isn’t a promotion, it’s a different job, and being “stuck” as an IC shouldn’t be a thing. There’s nothing wrong with staying on the IC track forever and getting promotions rather than changing to management. You say that there are no promotion opportunities, but have you talked to your EM about the gaps to the next IC level for you?

Hope I'm not being too much of an internet psychoanalyst here, but...

Couldn't agree more.

I think there's this perception from legacy engineering companies that a career track is a single line transitioning from IC to management, with some overlap defined by either pay grade or prestige (or both) between the seniors from IC and the juniors from management. This might be the source of OP's feelings of frustration.

I just crested the 10-year mark on my career and one of the things I try to sniff out in interviews is whether there's a genuinely workable long-term IC track which doesn't just fold into management, cause seniority in management in my experience is directly proportional to the number of hours you spend in meetings every week, and that's reaaally not for me.

@OP: perhaps you could go into more detail about why you feel unhappy being an IC to younger managers? I get that there's the accountability structure aspect of it, but it sounds like you're frustrated because they're younger despite them being in an orthogonal career track. Are the managers you dislike incompetent?

Re: Ask HN: Stuck as a developer for 15 years. How to become a manager?

#32
Sounds like to you need to find something you are fascinated by and excited to dive into without worrying about things like promotions, your age or the age of other people around you, your dignity, and other things that actually don't matter at all.

When you do find something like that life is joy and you can also become incredibly successful. Maybe management is that thing, but validate that you are really motivated for it and excited for all the hard work it will undoubtedly create for you. Or maybe it's something different.

If you're not sure, try many things, or ask yourself what would that thing be if it wasn't "work".

Re: Ask HN: Stuck as a developer for 15 years. How to become a manager?

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post #20

Management isn’t a promotion, it’s a different job, and being “stuck” as an IC shouldn’t be a thing. There’s nothing wrong with staying on the IC track forever and getting promotions rather than changing to management. You say that there are no promotion opportunities, but have you talked to your EM about the gaps to the next IC level for you?

This might help people sleep at night, but it's incorrect. Managers have more pay, more direct reports and more responsibility. It's the definition of a promotion.

Re: Ask HN: Stuck as a developer for 15 years. How to become a manager?

#34
A lot of times, and it's less true for tech, but companies see you as not much more than what they hired you at. 6 years at the same company probably isn't going to help. It might be better to switch companies and in the interview process mention that you want to transition to management.

Also managers aren't really above you, and if you have this feeling then you might not make a good manager.

Re: Ask HN: Stuck as a developer for 15 years. How to become a manager?

#35
Don't a lot of developers get stuck at this point? Or reach this cross-roads. Many corporations do not have a technical ladder, there is only so high one can go doing technical work. Thus one is forced into management, or maybe out.

If it is money, then move companies. Companies don't give good raises internally, the way to money is moving companies. I've seen and experienced this many times.

So, switch around companies, then you'll be learning new tech, meeting new people, getting more money. Possibly get excited about doing something again.

Re: Ask HN: Stuck as a developer for 15 years. How to become a manager?

#37
Are there architect positions available? To me that seems like a good route that maintains more technical involvement while moving away from feeling like a code monkey. It's still a leap from development, but it seems like there's more overlap than with management.

Re: Ask HN: Stuck as a developer for 15 years. How to become a manager?

#38
Don't 'LIE'. But also, don't be a typical programmer and think of it as binary, and split hairs.

Take a more sales/marketing focus and 'embellish'. After 15 years, I'm sure there have been 'leadership' moments, leading a project, organizing some group task.

Re: Ask HN: Stuck as a developer for 15 years. How to become a manager?

#39
> It feels undignified, humiliating at times.

I'm in a somewhat similar situation and I know that feeling very well. But it's something that I suspect happens to all of us as we grow older. The fact is, that younger people exist. It might happen that they will be your boss, it might happen that you will be the boss of them, or a combination of both. But it should never feel undignified and humiliating just because of their age alone.

There are other facts about relationships with people that you should be more sensitive about: Do they treat you with respect? Do they listen to you? Do they tell you the truth? Will they help you when you need it?

It can be difficult, but I would start a deep introspection about this subject.

What it helps me to overcome this feelings is the fact that I internalized the thought "my job is not my life". There are activities I pursue outside my job that define me much better as a person and in that domain, I'm my own boss.

Re: Ask HN: Stuck as a developer for 15 years. How to become a manager?

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post #12

> younger folks are above me. It feels undignified, humiliating at times. I'm not sure becoming a manager would solve that, as there might still be younger people managing you. Even if you become CEO, shareholders and investors might be younger too. I think a better approach would be to discover first why it bothers you so to be managed by someone younger.

The obvious solution is not to become a manager, but to become an 18-year-old.
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