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Ask HN: Stuck as a developer for 15 years. How to become a manager?

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Re: Ask HN: Stuck as a developer for 15 years. How to become a manager?

#21
Be sure you want to become a manager.

(As a CTO coach, I'd say book a coach but ...)

Tell your boss. If they don't know there is no chance to be promoted. Ask what it takes to be promoted.

Know the boss of your boss. Only they can promote you to the same level as your boss. Your boss usually can't (Most important promotion tip).

Try to get some management into your job title for no salary increase. This makes it easier to switch jobs and be hired into a management role.

Try to become co-founder (CTO) in a small startup.

Found a startup on your own, easiest way to get the CTO title. Build for one year, close the startup if it doesn't work.

Re: Ask HN: Stuck as a developer for 15 years. How to become a manager?

#22
A person with 15 years of experience looking for a management position has relevant experience to apply for a management role. Start the conversation or apply! You may want to take time to understand and learn what's required to become a good manager. Also, you shouldn't be ashamed of ageing. Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: Stuck as a developer for 15 years. How to become a manager?

#23
> Every day is mental pain as I get older and younger folks are above me. It feels undignified, humiliating at times.

This is transitory. I get it, but it only stings now because you're not that old yet, so you feel you should be in that fight. A few years more and it's typical for the manager to be younger, nobody has the population pyramid for seniority promotions anymore.

It helps to get somewhat out of the ladder and go freelance or similar. It ends up being very very similar, but in your head you're on a different track.

Re: Ask HN: Stuck as a developer for 15 years. How to become a manager?

#24

Use your current job, if you’re actively hunting already! I don’t mean try to be a manager there - I mean, get their feedback on why they haven’t already made you a manager in your next 1:1. Your boss may not know you want it, or they know you want it and can provide insight on what you have to do to get there.

I'll second/third this. When I was interested in becoming a manager, I talked to my manager about it and developed a long term plan to make the transition. This included stuff like going through internal company courses on management and incrementally taking on management-type responsibilities and tasks. I ended up changing my mind, but I'd say your manager can be a good resource for making that transition.

Re: Ask HN: Stuck as a developer for 15 years. How to become a manager?

#25
post #12

> younger folks are above me. It feels undignified, humiliating at times. I'm not sure becoming a manager would solve that, as there might still be younger people managing you. Even if you become CEO, shareholders and investors might be younger too. I think a better approach would be to discover first why it bothers you so to be managed by someone younger.

> why it bothers you so to be managed by someone younger.

The idea that when you grow up you go up in rank. And if you have younger people who are above you, and you have not moved up at all, then you feel like you’re not performing well.

I think this feeling is artificial and externally influenced. Some of us are made to do work. Others are made to oversee. They are both equal in rank. Just different set of skill.

Re: Ask HN: Stuck as a developer for 15 years. How to become a manager?

#26
Accepting a management position likely won't make the feelings you have disappear. You may not even like the day-to-day job of managing more than being a engineer, and there will still be people younger than you are higher than you on the totem pole. There is always a bigger fish.

Solve the "no motivation for the interview process" problem, and you may find that a change in scenery can fix the rest of the problems you are experiencing.

Re: Ask HN: Stuck as a developer for 15 years. How to become a manager?

#27
That sounds stressful.

There's a short book I like called The Obstacle is the Way by Ryan Holiday that talks about dealing with adversity like this.

The secret is to take full responsibility for your situation. Nobody will be more invested in your success than you are.

Ask yourself - why do you feel stagnant, and what can you do about it?

For example, talking to your manager about it, making a plan and working toward a promotion as an IC, taking over a struggling project and leading it to success, or transitioning into leading a team.

If it's changing jobs, take responsibility for understanding your goals and finding a role that fits.

And don't lie, that stuff catches up to you.

Re: Ask HN: Stuck as a developer for 15 years. How to become a manager?

#28
Seems like you must be really good at your developer job, otherwise you would get promoted. :)

You might want to move into a more mentorship role where younger developers have to look up to you.

Being a project manager is more about handling politics and trying to carve out a viable way forward.

Re: Ask HN: Stuck as a developer for 15 years. How to become a manager?

#29
Cannot emotionally connect. I have never once wanted to be a manager. It's a chore that I don't want.

Learning the skills is a beginning. Take notes during meetings, share them with the group. Engage your manager in planning, through questions or adding information. Give considerate feedback.

Re: Ask HN: Stuck as a developer for 15 years. How to become a manager?

#30
Leaders lead no matter what their job title is. If you think being a manager is what is needed to command respect then I think your view of leadership is skewed and you are only going to be authoritarian. If you want to grow focus on the outcomes you are achieving, engaging directly with the outcomes of the business and accelerating those is the way to get ahead. Frequently I see engineers who believe their work is to write code, this is not the right mental model, great engineers solve business problems through engineering, process design and at times simply through leadership and saying no. Ticket monkeys whose job is to code what is on a jira ticket and nothing but that, are limited in their use.
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