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My small, no name company has lost its mind with AI

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Re: My small, no name company has lost its mind with AI

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  - CEO openly says AI will cause the loss of “millions of jobs”
Clearly a visionary leader.

  - CTO says he wants live examples of ChatGPT “making us code faster”
Honestly where are you, a kindergarten? So-called 'leaders' with this attitude deserve a slap (in rhetorical terms) IMHO.

Re: My small, no name company has lost its mind with AI

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ChatGPT is also at the mercy of whatever the internet has. Including more and more of what it was used to generate.

It isn’t though. Like I said, if the model gets worse OpenAI can simply not release a new version. You also have to consider the money angle. As using ChatGPT and other chatbots becomes more popular, people will stop producing garbage internet articles because they will be less popular and therefore less profitable. Bloggers who enjoy writing will continue to do so because it was never about the money, they just enjo…

I understand what you are saying but to me it sounds very handwavy and (not to be disrespectful) naive.

How would LLM upstarts be able to counter the massive commercial interests? As with google they will also succumb to prefer money over usefulness at latest when they have a wide user base.

There is also an even less proven way of distinguishing spam from signal with LLMs.

And not updating a model means that they will be stuck in COVID-19 era forever.

Re: My small, no name company has lost its mind with AI

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It was really was a disaster for whip companies, carriage companies and saddle makers, though, disruption didn’t proliferate as quickly then as it does today. You can read some of the history of buggy whip makers. They were specialized manufacturers with established brands built around quality, special materials and style. Some were able to convert to new products but not all. They did survive a couple decades past t…

> It was really was a disaster for whip companies, carriage companies and saddle makers, though, disruption didn’t proliferate as quickly then as it does today. I'm not contending that. I'm saying (as far as I can determine) that cars sales alone in the US today is around 4% of the GDP. That doesn't count all the businesses employed in car manufacturing, all the businesses employed by the distribution network, by aut…

I don't believe that people use buggy whips as an analogy for entire economies being destroyed, just individual industries. But fair enough, and there certainly was that expansion orders of magnitude larger than the replaced industries when the automobile proliferated.

Re: My small, no name company has lost its mind with AI

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Step 1. Humans write copy for humans to buy their garbage, humans counter by tuning out and switching channels Step 2. Humans write SEO copy for machines to rank them higher. Step 3. LLM writes copy for machines to rank them higher. Step 4. Human uses LLM to try to distill the LLM generated SEO spam for any remaining signal. Also to your point: > SEO listicle garbage filling the internet. the feeling that the LLM is…

You're missing the point. If we want to know something, we won't even have to google it; we will just ask an LLM . There will be no market for websites full of it because we can just directly ask it to answer our questions. The only "if" to all this is if we will destroy the LLMs by feeding them their own diarrhea. I expect a sort of natural selection here to play out, especially in the open source space. Ones that a…

> If we want to know something, we won't even have to google it; we will just ask an LLM. There will be no market for websites full of it because we can just directly ask it to answer our questions.

How will it learn anything new?

Re: My small, no name company has lost its mind with AI

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Once every business can one line invoke an LLM to sufficiently create apps, assuming we reach that stage (possible), isn't that going to kill 90% of VC B2B SaaS especially the YC style round robin of funding each other without generating actual value? Think the CEO's SWEs are the least of his concerns.

Theoretically, if we get to the point where a quality app could actually be generated entirely this way, then someone will inevitably ask it to create an app that recursively asks it to create more apps, thus eliminating the need for anyone to even ask it to create an app at all.

And whoever runs the API will be laughing all the way to the bank.

Re: My small, no name company has lost its mind with AI

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Can someone explain why there isn't a blockchain that is powered by users hardware training LLM models all day? Like the worlds best open source trillion parameter model.

Noone has built it and that's because it would be hard to satisfy the needs of a consensus mechanism and also do useful real work. To understand why that is, you need to understand why they are doing all this generating random numbers nonsense in the first place. They are doing this to establish distributed consensus. You have some chain of blocks b_1... b_2 ... b_3. To make the next block you want to put a bunch of…

Right but making new models costs millions of dollars and weeks of time.

And that's just for a single model.

With distributed users they could be generating those new models all of the time doing highly computational work.

Re: My small, no name company has lost its mind with AI

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Noone has built it and that's because it would be hard to satisfy the needs of a consensus mechanism and also do useful real work. To understand why that is, you need to understand why they are doing all this generating random numbers nonsense in the first place. They are doing this to establish distributed consensus. You have some chain of blocks b_1... b_2 ... b_3. To make the next block you want to put a bunch of…

Right but making new models costs millions of dollars and weeks of time. And that's just for a single model. With distributed users they could be generating those new models all of the time doing highly computational work.

It's not that it wouldn't be nice to be able to do this, it's that it's hard (as in, I'm not aware of anyone who has figured out a way). As it is the blockchain world (apart from bitcoin) has largely moved on to proof of stake so they no longer burn tons of CPU that could be put to better use if you hypothetically solved the problem I outline above.

And bitcoin presumably isn't going to change to doing your new model training thing if you came out with it for the same reason they haven't changed to proof of stake. I'm not aware of what that reason is but presumably the status quo benefits the existing miners and they hold the power.

Re: My small, no name company has lost its mind with AI

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ChatGPT is also at the mercy of whatever the internet has. Including more and more of what it was used to generate.

It isn’t though. Like I said, if the model gets worse OpenAI can simply not release a new version. You also have to consider the money angle. As using ChatGPT and other chatbots becomes more popular, people will stop producing garbage internet articles because they will be less popular and therefore less profitable. Bloggers who enjoy writing will continue to do so because it was never about the money, they just enjo…

> Like I said, if the model gets worse OpenAI can simply not release a new version.

So now it's got great information about the Model T Ford but knows nothing about our new mars colony?

I don't think "just don't update the model" is a likely option.

Re: My small, no name company has lost its mind with AI

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Can you share what jobs those people performed?

My partner runs a B2B ecommerce company with revenue ~$5m with lots of different products coming from a range of suppliers all over Asia. And the jobs were the sort of generalist types you see in most small businesses and startups. Examples of tasks mostly involving writing e.g. emails to suppliers and customers, marketing copy for products/campaigns, website content. But also coming with potential new products and h…

Who would reply to a message generated by a chat bot. That would set off all my fraud alarms

Re: My small, no name company has lost its mind with AI

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CEO openly says AI will cause the loss of “millions of jobs”. My advice, figure out how to get the CEO fired and tell him he was right.

Honestly by the sounds of it the quality of decision-making won't be notably different between the current CEO running things and things just being decided stochastically by ChatGPT. Anyone as old as me remembers the sudden transition in the MBA mindset between "lol you nerds are so cute with your 'web'" where business people thought the internet was just where you got your old college email to "OMG WE NEED A WEBPAGE…

Also, there’s the recurrent cycle of AI Summer and Winter. Each time, someone figures out a new piece of the AI puzzle, we get new tools that are useful but don’t deliver on the big hype, AI funding drops as we run out of ways to skin the new cat, we’re left with some useful tools that the world acclimates to until the cycle repeats.

Maybe the massive growth in computing resources speed up the seasons now, or have prolonged this one, but I don’t think we’re on the exponential part of the curve to AGI yet.

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