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My small, no name company has lost its mind with AI

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Re: My small, no name company has lost its mind with AI

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Post by friend_and_foe »

jnsaff2 wrote: post #51
janalsncm wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT is the killer app . It’s a Google killer. It is better than the SEO listicle garbage filling the internet. Even if it’s not always accurate it’s still better in a lot of circumstances. There’s a reason Sundar rushed Bard out of the gate even though it is clearly inferior.

Step 1. Humans write copy for humans to buy their garbage, humans counter by tuning out and switching channels Step 2. Humans write SEO copy for machines to rank them higher. Step 3. LLM writes copy for machines to rank them higher. Step 4. Human uses LLM to try to distill the LLM generated SEO spam for any remaining signal. Also to your point: > SEO listicle garbage filling the internet. the feeling that the LLM is…

You're missing the point. If we want to know something, we won't even have to google it; we will just ask an LLM. There will be no market for websites full of it because we can just directly ask it to answer our questions.

The only "if" to all this is if we will destroy the LLMs by feeding them their own diarrhea. I expect a sort of natural selection here to play out, especially in the open source space. Ones that are trained on LLM generated blogspam will probably, I expect, get outperformed by ones that are trained on genuine information, or at the very least ones made using new techniques that adequately filter noise.

Re: My small, no name company has lost its mind with AI

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taylorfinley wrote: post #35

This post reads like a neoluddite AI-skeptic trashing someone for trying new things. Every CEO should be trying to automate human tasks with AI right now--not to fire all the humans, but to increase their efficiency. Good on your CEO for trying. Sounds like they've largely failed to execute, which is a valid thing to criticize, but at least they're trying. The CEO of my company has also been trying, and we've done so…

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Re: My small, no name company has lost its mind with AI

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Post by jnsaff2 »

janalsncm wrote: post #60
jnsaff2 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Step 1. Humans write copy for humans to buy their garbage, humans counter by tuning out and switching channels Step 2. Humans write SEO copy for machines to rank them higher. Step 3. LLM writes copy for machines to rank them higher. Step 4. Human uses LLM to try to distill the LLM generated SEO spam for any remaining signal. Also to your point: > SEO listicle garbage filling the internet. the feeling that the LLM is…

I’m not following. If ChatGPT gets worse, OpenAI can simply not update it. Or revert to a previous version. For Google, they’re at the mercy of whatever the internet has.

ChatGPT is also at the mercy of whatever the internet has. Including more and more of what it was used to generate.

Re: My small, no name company has lost its mind with AI

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Post by klipklop »

flangola7 wrote: post #20
Fatboyrunning wrote: post #3

The absence of real applications incorporating this stuff is damning. Where are the killer apps?

> Where are the killer apps? Even though it is just a bare kernel (LLM), GPT-4 is a better teacher than any I've ever had. Who can I ask at 3AM on a Saturday night to explain ancient Greek philosophy using dwarf fortress mechanics? And iterate with infinite patience and focus on any follow up questions?

This is one of the most compelling use cases. It’s dramatically reduced research time on certain topics for me. If I have a “question” I don’t go to google first anymore.

Re: My small, no name company has lost its mind with AI

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Post by thefz »

taylorfinley wrote: post #35

This post reads like a neoluddite AI-skeptic trashing someone for trying new things. Every CEO should be trying to automate human tasks with AI right now--not to fire all the humans, but to increase their efficiency. Good on your CEO for trying. Sounds like they've largely failed to execute, which is a valid thing to criticize, but at least they're trying. The CEO of my company has also been trying, and we've done so…

> - HR docs are now being generated by ChatGPT with no checks for legality

This enough will almost guarantee that this CEO will be out of work soon.

Re: My small, no name company has lost its mind with AI

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Post by lelanthran »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #33
intelVISA wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simple CRUD apps don't really need a startup to be fair, they could be done as a side project these days.

A 30 year old “startup” I consulted with once was a very badly designed SaaS app that had somehow been in business for three decades. At first, I couldn’t figure out how this awful app could be in business when there were competitors on the market with better UX/UI and marketing. But then I learned that the bad UI had very specific features that professionals in their target industry desperately needed, and that the…

I'm exploring creating a CRUD/SaaS/or similar type of business.[1]

I've settled on using a plain and simple and unadorned UI as possible, regardless of what the product is, as long as it is easy to use.

My reasoning is that if people need it to be pretty before they'll pay for it then it's not really a pain-point that the product is solving.

OTOH, if people are willing to hand out cash for the functionality then I'm onto something.

[1]Want to do B2B, but will depend on what I can come up with.

Re: My small, no name company has lost its mind with AI

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Post by thefz »

janalsncm wrote: post #15
Fatboyrunning wrote: post #3

The absence of real applications incorporating this stuff is damning. Where are the killer apps?

ChatGPT is the killer app . It’s a Google killer. It is better than the SEO listicle garbage filling the internet. Even if it’s not always accurate it’s still better in a lot of circumstances. There’s a reason Sundar rushed Bard out of the gate even though it is clearly inferior.

> ChatGPT is the killer app. It’s a Google killer. It is better than the SEO listicle garbage filling the internet.

And yet it hallucinates URLs when I ask it to cite its sources. It's still Google search with a little patience for me.

Re: My small, no name company has lost its mind with AI

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Post by MattPalmer1086 »

thefz wrote: post #68
janalsncm wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT is the killer app . It’s a Google killer. It is better than the SEO listicle garbage filling the internet. Even if it’s not always accurate it’s still better in a lot of circumstances. There’s a reason Sundar rushed Bard out of the gate even though it is clearly inferior.

> ChatGPT is the killer app. It’s a Google killer. It is better than the SEO listicle garbage filling the internet. And yet it hallucinates URLs when I ask it to cite its sources. It's still Google search with a little patience for me.

It is not a direct replacement for search engines, but it will seriously dent their market share.

If you are looking for a location on the internet, use a search engine. LLMs do not memorise the data sources verbatim.

If you want to know how to do something, it will normally give you a better answer than you would find by googling around multiple blogs. No location on the internet needed.

Re: My small, no name company has lost its mind with AI

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Post by janalsncm »

jnsaff2 wrote: post #64
janalsncm wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not following. If ChatGPT gets worse, OpenAI can simply not update it. Or revert to a previous version. For Google, they’re at the mercy of whatever the internet has.

ChatGPT is also at the mercy of whatever the internet has. Including more and more of what it was used to generate.

It isn’t though. Like I said, if the model gets worse OpenAI can simply not release a new version.

You also have to consider the money angle. As using ChatGPT and other chatbots becomes more popular, people will stop producing garbage internet articles because they will be less popular and therefore less profitable. Bloggers who enjoy writing will continue to do so because it was never about the money, they just enjoy writing.

Further, the internet is only one small portion of information available to train on. There’s a lot of other data out there, including real-world conversations.

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