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Re: Ottawa pulls advertising, escalating showdown with Facebook and Instagram

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Post by bawolff »

jojobas wrote: post #152
bawolff wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you analyze news as something more like “a right to information” - “integral to the function of democracy”, I don't get it - in this analysis would my local coffee shop have to buy and provide free newspapers to me? I'm all for access to free press being a fundamental right. Where you lose me is the part where a private corporation is supposed to subsidize the production of news for me.

There's this understanding of rights that implies that the government/some other entity has to provide everyone willing with the object of the right. Usually applied to healthcare, education and sometimes dwelling, errors out on right to bear arms.

Even still, typically that looks like - if you run a hospital you have to treat everyone who comes in. It does not usually mean you as a private citizen are required to run a hospital if you dont want to. You are still allowed to shutdown your hospital.

> errors out on right to bear arms.

Lol, in canada that is definitely not a right you have.

Re: Ottawa pulls advertising, escalating showdown with Facebook and Instagram

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Post by stubybubs »

smsm42 wrote: post #141
stubybubs wrote: post #108

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Honestly, it's pretty reasonable. This is what it looks like when you really treat your party as separate from governance. They are not using public funds for their advertising. Contrast this with the last Conservative government, which made all of its publicly funded announcements from "The Harper Government" instead of "The Government of Canada." https://www.canada.ca/en/news/archive/2012/06/harper-governm...

The point is not public funds. The point is, in public they behave like FB is so horrible no reasonable person can use their services, but when it comes to using the services not for public benefit, but for their personal benefit, turn out FB is not so bad after all. Evidently, using FB is beneficial for them. They are OK with benefitting themselves, but withhold same benefits from the public in the name of political…

Political parties work quite a bit differently in Canada. The party structure, the part that purchases ads and such, is not the government. They can have opposing goals. One is governing, the other is trying to get elected. That's how we like it.

Canada actually used to give federal funds to all political parties, including opposition parties, as long as they reached a certain level of votes in the last election. This leveled the playing field for campaign money. Again the last Conservative government got rid of this to try to starve the other parties, another example of what happens when this division is not maintained properly.

Re: Ottawa pulls advertising, escalating showdown with Facebook and Instagram

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Post by jszymborski »

bobsmooth wrote: post #155
jszymborski wrote: post #35

I disagree with a lot of C-18 as-is, but I can't pretend like I'm not happy to see the fed gov't not spending ad dollars on Meta.

Specifically because it's meta, even though it's where a lot of people consume media? How else is the government supposed to inform people that don't watch TV or listen to radio?

Honestly, I'd bet that the overlap of FB's current demographics and people who listen to radio/TV is pretty high.

The gov't of Canada has ad spends on bus stops, billboards, cinemas, newspapers, Spotify... I've even seen them on mobile games. If I was Pablo, I wouldn't be very much concerned about the reach of Gov't of Canada ads.

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Post by dmix »

brailsafe wrote: post #134
dmix wrote: post #75

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Probably the biggest self-own in recent memory. I feel bad about the journos/web teams who have to suffer as a consequence of the current gov and the rich Canadian media aristocracy who pushed this through. But I can't say it's going to immediately impact my life. I'm not a particular fan of any of the Canadian media sites besides maybe the hyper local ones like CP24. Nor would I touch the Canadian subreddits with a…

I feel similarly, but I do actually like CBC content usually. It's deeply ironic in my mind that one of the meme mantras of the PCs is defunding the CBC, good job literally every other voting MP except the PCs

Instead of defunding it the Liberals created a situation where the CBC will essentially need gov gibs to survive in it's current state, which will certainly be deemed essential for publicly funded Canadian culture projection (that essential part of modern society). Economic self-owns via gov policy driven by the same small set of private school kids in Ottawa and whining about Americans is Canadian culture 101.

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Post by f33d5173 »

dotcoma wrote: post #161
woodruffw wrote: post #41

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For those of us not from Canada[1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_News_Act

Not a Metà fan, at all, but I don’t understand why they are being called “unreasonable” and “irresponsible” for blocking news from Canadian newspapers. As they (currently) don’t have an agreement with Canadian newspapers, or perhaps don’t want one, which also seems like a legitimate position to me, the only responsible thing is not to use or link to articles from said newspapers, isn’t it?

They had made agreements with torstar prior to this bill passing. They abandoned those agreements when the bill passed. Its hard to avoid the conclusion that they are specifically taking issue with being legally compelled to make such agreements.

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Post by jojobas »

bawolff wrote: post #171
jojobas wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's this understanding of rights that implies that the government/some other entity has to provide everyone willing with the object of the right. Usually applied to healthcare, education and sometimes dwelling, errors out on right to bear arms.

Even still, typically that looks like - if you run a hospital you have to treat everyone who comes in. It does not usually mean you as a private citizen are required to run a hospital if you dont want to. You are still allowed to shutdown your hospital. > errors out on right to bear arms. Lol, in canada that is definitely not a right you have.

Which is funny, as Canadians inherited it from the UK and squandered it just like their ancestor.

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Post by canadiantim »

brailsafe wrote: post #134
dmix wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the biggest self-own in recent memory. I feel bad about the journos/web teams who have to suffer as a consequence of the current gov and the rich Canadian media aristocracy who pushed this through. But I can't say it's going to immediately impact my life. I'm not a particular fan of any of the Canadian media sites besides maybe the hyper local ones like CP24. Nor would I touch the Canadian subreddits with a…

I feel similarly, but I do actually like CBC content usually. It's deeply ironic in my mind that one of the meme mantras of the PCs is defunding the CBC, good job literally every other voting MP except the PCs

It didn't used to be, but under the current Canadian government the CBC is intolerably biased towards the governing party

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Post by canadiantim »

dmix wrote: post #174
brailsafe wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel similarly, but I do actually like CBC content usually. It's deeply ironic in my mind that one of the meme mantras of the PCs is defunding the CBC, good job literally every other voting MP except the PCs

Instead of defunding it the Liberals created a situation where the CBC will essentially need gov gibs to survive in it's current state, which will certainly be deemed essential for publicly funded Canadian culture projection (that essential part of modern society). Economic self-owns via gov policy driven by the same small set of private school kids in Ottawa and whining about Americans is Canadian culture 101.

The CBC gets a billion a year of taxpayer dollars, plus other perks, so large parts of the CBC do already depend on this largess to survive.

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Post by brailsafe »

graeme wrote: post #138
brailsafe wrote: post #135

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Hmm... have you seen the environment minister's interviews? Not great.

Funnily enough the current environment minister Guillebeault was the previous heritage minister who crafted this bill. It didn't get through on his term and then Rodriguez took over.

That's really funny, I do remember that. My favourite video is him basically sweating bullets when interviewed by my favorite CBC host who typically hosts Marketplace. I believe it was about C-11. Seems shady.
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