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Heat Pumps – The Well-Tempered Future of A/Cs

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Re: Heat Pumps – The Well-Tempered Future of A/Cs

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Had mitsubishi units installed in the northeast USA a couple of years ago, for a 1.5k sqft house all of our quotes were ~15K.

$49k for a Mitsubishi heat pump, variable speed air handler and two ducted head units for upstairs rooms. Supports 3000 sqft with multiple zones.

This comports with my experience pricing out a similar sized mitsu system

Re: Heat Pumps – The Well-Tempered Future of A/Cs

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I got a very similar quote ($27k for ~2000sqft home) in seattle a few months ago. Salesperson said there is excess demand for both labor and machinery for heat pump installations in the past few months. I wondered at the time to what extent this is a regional phenomenon (seattlites are nerds who like energy efficiency) vs. supply chain issues vs. a sales technique. Interestingly, I learned that it will be too cold fo…

Let me guess - Greenwood? They came in 40-50% above all the other quotes I got.

I checked with them on an uncommon configuration (combo hydronic heat and hot water for the taps to replace the two gas units we have now) and their estimate was a lot of money but they were also the only company that seemed to have any idea what I was talking about. The reviews I read do suggest if you have an alternative it might cost less though:

https://freshchalk.com/greenwood-heating-air-conditioning-se...

Re: Heat Pumps – The Well-Tempered Future of A/Cs

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post #232

The article mentions the most important point towards the end: “The better you insulate, the less heat you need in the first place,” No heat pump will help if your house is leaky or under insulated.

I have new heat pumps in a very old, under insulated, and leaky house. I didn't use my oil furnace last winter (the first since two additional pumps). My costs were about half of the previous year, and I'm sure my carbon footprint was much better as well. Can you say more about what your comment is supposed to mean?

They mean that your bill and footprint would have been even lower if it were better insulated and less leaky.

Re: Heat Pumps – The Well-Tempered Future of A/Cs

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The article mentions the most important point towards the end: “The better you insulate, the less heat you need in the first place,” No heat pump will help if your house is leaky or under insulated.

And it's irrelevant. Everyone is like "but if you have better insulation..." well golly gee, guess I'll get right on that. Tearing out all my drywall? Re-sarking my roof? Cost-free! Definitely not hugely disruptive, invasive and expensive activities which stand a good chance of forcing me to move out of my house while the work is complete... People love throwing in about how effective insulation is, completely ignori…

I wouldn't say irrelevant but definitely nuanced.

Putting more insulation in the attic does not mean redoing the roof. Depending on what you have it might just be blowing in some insulation or adding matting. Of course there are options like spray foaming but it's not the only one.

You are of course right that if your walls are completely uninsulated you will probably want to rip out that dry wall and that will cost you. Maybe blown insulation is an option too depending on your specifics.

Do some math and see if it makes sense to do it if you don't want to do it purely for the sake of the planet. Drywalling isn't that big of a deal actually. The worst would be the ceiling and you don't have to touch that. Regular drywall on a wall is easily done solo by a home owner. Been there, done that.

It's funny what money makes you do. I had a choice to pay tens of thousands to have professionals do it or pay hundreds for materials and do it myself. I did lots of TIL and I have beautiful white walls again.

Re: Heat Pumps – The Well-Tempered Future of A/Cs

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Isnt any a/c a heat pump though?

Yes, but typically “heat pump” is used to mean it can provide heating too, whereas standard “A/C” is a “one-way” heat pump that only provides cooling.

To confuse matters, "mini split AC" seems now to mean that it can also heat.

Re: Heat Pumps – The Well-Tempered Future of A/Cs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

all heat pumps work in one direction. You can't move cold around with any mechanism. Only heat can be moved. The difference is residential "heat pumps" just have a set of reversing valves so you can move heat from outdoors to indoors.

> The difference is residential "heat pumps" just have a set of reversing valves so you can move heat from outdoors to indoors. So.. they work in two directions.

It depends on your frame of reference.

Re: Heat Pumps – The Well-Tempered Future of A/Cs

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post #178

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Perhaps think of "heat pump" as something that can (also) bring heat into a building, whereas A/C generally (only) removes heat from it.

An A/C is a heat pump. Stop trying to change existing terminology

I work in the HVAC industry and "heat pump" in the context of A/C units exclusively refers to models that cool and heat by reversing the refrigerant flow.

Re: Heat Pumps – The Well-Tempered Future of A/Cs

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I was looking for a whole home heat pump and got some quotes that started at $27,000 for a home that is 1800 square feet. That price is a bit hard to swallow. I really don't want to just cool one or two rooms in the house.

That price is absurd. Quoting an equivalent sized commercial installation from my company with union labor would be half that.

Re: Heat Pumps – The Well-Tempered Future of A/Cs

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When my AC finally needs replacing I'm going heat pump, and then also ditching my gas water heater. The constant fees of a gas line are ridiculous at this point and any more electricity usage will be offset by the 9 months of the year I'd never turn on the heat.

Now you can even get water heaters with heat pumps and combo units that dump your waste heat from your hvac heat pump into the water heater. It’s wild.

Re: Heat Pumps – The Well-Tempered Future of A/Cs

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post #232

The article mentions the most important point towards the end: “The better you insulate, the less heat you need in the first place,” No heat pump will help if your house is leaky or under insulated.

It's actually exactly the reverse: for a house that's well-insulated, it barely matters how efficient your heating and cooling appliances are, especially if you're considering replacement of working systems.
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