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Amazon CEO Asks His Hollywood Studio to Explain Its Big Spending

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Re: Amazon CEO Asks His Hollywood Studio to Explain Its Big Spending

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> The article also noted that a minority of the viewers who started The Rings of Power, Amazon’s most expensive project ever, finished the series.

It’s funny how something is so bad people won’t even watch it for free.

I don’t think this is a completely correct assumption, but since Amazon doesn’t give viewership numbers (or Netflix or Hulu or hbo) it’s hard to know if a show is successful or popular or profitable.

I’d like to see old fashioned Nielsen rating numbers so you can tell if 1M households watched something and could compare shows.

I’m sure some people watch an episode because the marginal cost is $0 so it’s probably equivalent to an old prime time show on ABC/CBS/NBC that would have high ratings in the beginning and then low ratings in the end. Broadcast tv was free too.

It reminds me of how friends wouldn’t even watch a movie or show on torrents and that would help me understand if a movie is good or bad (with a torrenting crowd) because people won’t even download Justice League and watch it for free.

Anyway, I’ve been surprised at how bad Amazon’s shows are considering their spend. They seem like the anti-AppleTV. AppleTV seems to spend a lot as well, but make much higher quality stuff.

I suspect it’s because AppleTV has a direct cost and budget and want to attract people to watch. And prime video is lumped into Prime membership that is probably pure profit to Amazon and just customers on auto charge year after year, so most don’t even watch video yet they have revenue from 152M US prime members [0] so Amazon is getting $21B/year and may not care about viewership, they just need to spend money.

[0] https://www.searchlogistics.com/learn/statistics/amazon-prim...

Re: Amazon CEO Asks His Hollywood Studio to Explain Its Big Spending

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> We're going to look back on the era of prestige TV fondly. I don't think prestige TV is necesirely expensive though. The wire, breaking bad, Andor, the bear, severance all can achieve incredible results without hollywood budgets. If anything big budgets have not translated into quality, see GoT, Rings of Power, Stranger Things all getting worse the more moeny thrown at them. prestigue tv is about talent, and having…

> Andor ... severance all can achieve incredible results without hollywood budgets Severance S2 reportedly costs $15–20 million per episode to make, and Apple+'s average original series budget is ~$10M/ep.: https://www.gq.com/story/severance-season-2-delayed-behind-t... Andor S1's budget was reportedly $250M for 12 episodes ($20.8M/ep): https://www.ign.com/articles/andor-season-1-reported-budget-... Which is more exp…

That’s weird about Andor’s budget. They don’t have complicated effects and no huge names in the cast. At least Severence had lots of named actors.

Re: Amazon CEO Asks His Hollywood Studio to Explain Its Big Spending

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I’d rather an explanation why so many expensive shows suck.

Citadel is terrible. As though the show runners have no idea what makes a show like that good. Keep in mind that you’re asking people to suspend disbelief. Don’t continually challenge that disbelief. I tried the show, said meh, tried again and turned it off in disgust. Compare to John wick (same target) doesn’t have a great story, but they ask you to suspend disbelief once and then never challenge you again. It’s got character, pathos. Not magical fucking skis.

Rings of power sucked terribly. I remember being repeatedly amazed at how such a high production value show could grab me not at all. The first fight scene was mind blowing. And yet I didn’t care. The ship they sail in the (second?) episode. Gorgeous, wonderful, compelling. I remember thinking. You built this whole unique wooden ship, and actually learned to sail it just to convince me of the authenticity of the scene. Only to throw it away five min later. The story and dialogue? Utter crap. Don’t even get me started on the narration. Bro. Go back to your notes from your first creative writing class. A quarter of the way down the first page you’ll see something that says “Show, don’t tell.” You need to actually sit down and figure out what that means.

What to know how they get maximum bang for their buck? They need someone on each project (with veto rights) who actually knows how to tell a story.

The thing they’re lacking isn’t expensive, but it does take a bit of rigor and someone with the courage and power to say no.

Re: Amazon CEO Asks His Hollywood Studio to Explain Its Big Spending

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post #92

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> Andor ... severance all can achieve incredible results without hollywood budgets Severance S2 reportedly costs $15–20 million per episode to make, and Apple+'s average original series budget is ~$10M/ep.: https://www.gq.com/story/severance-season-2-delayed-behind-t... Andor S1's budget was reportedly $250M for 12 episodes ($20.8M/ep): https://www.ign.com/articles/andor-season-1-reported-budget-... Which is more exp…

That’s weird about Andor’s budget. They don’t have complicated effects and no huge names in the cast. At least Severence had lots of named actors.

Really lavish sets and impressive costuming, though.

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If I'm not paying anyway I don't see the problem. I'm totally fine with people using my work without paying if they were never going to pay anyway. In fact i encourage it.

The problem is that you are not entitled to someone else’s property simply because you want it and don’t feel like paying for it.

I’m entitled to anything I can take without harming others.

Re: Amazon CEO Asks His Hollywood Studio to Explain Its Big Spending

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That’s weird about Andor’s budget. They don’t have complicated effects and no huge names in the cast. At least Severence had lots of named actors.

Really lavish sets and impressive costuming, though.

Both were nice, but $250M nice surprises me. I expect you could spend $25M and I’d enjoy it as much.

Re: Amazon CEO Asks His Hollywood Studio to Explain Its Big Spending

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For a while, before Jassy became CEO, people at the company would sometimes jokingly refer to Amazon Studios as "the loss leader for Bezos's sex life." Now that subscriber growth is slowing down at most streaming services, the end of the "golden age of TV" is at hand. Welcome to the "bean-counting age of TV," in which streaming services try to milk subscribers for as much as possible without pissing them off too much…

I watched "Air" with Matt Damon in the theater, and noticed it was an amazonstudios movie.

It was kind of ok, but wow it really lacked the polish that many hollywood movies have. It could have just been so much better.

I think nickle-and-diming movies will just lead to the sort of thing amazon is famous for. Lots of product, all of it cheaply made, with very little to differentiate it or make it memorable.

Personally I think there is also money in excellence.

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The problem is that you are not entitled to someone else’s property simply because you want it and don’t feel like paying for it.

I’m entitled to anything I can take without harming others.

You’re entitled alright!

Re: Amazon CEO Asks His Hollywood Studio to Explain Its Big Spending

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Can you explain more your "loss leader" comment. What's the background on why that comment was being made?

Supposedly Bezos liked being a part of Hollywood, meeting the celebrities, being at the parties, and potentially meeting women. I always took the last part to be an exaggeration, but it did sound like he cut the division a lot of slack on spending because he liked the idea of it.

>it did sound like he cut the division a lot of slack on spending because he liked the idea of it.

My understanding is that Bezos approved Amazon taking over the airing of the canceled The Expanse because he likes the book series the show is based on.

Re: Amazon CEO Asks His Hollywood Studio to Explain Its Big Spending

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Are you for software patents? I find it more palatable to be for copyright than for software patents.

No, I’m personally against all forms of intellectual property but that’s far outside the mainstream. The position I describe above is consistent, though. And widely held.

It is interesting to read about the origin of copyright: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright
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