was it really constructive for this pioneering tech to choose the actual "devil" as a logo? then the move to shiny plastic look for the logo? long-standing public divisions with no end.. niche opinionated choices sure, but dont be surprised at the results.
FreeBSD at 30: Its secrets to success
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Re: FreeBSD at 30: Its secrets to success
#72Has it been successful? NetBSD seems to be more popular. Last time I used freeBSD was as a child circa 18 years ago.
If that's how you judge popularity? FreeBSD is far more of a general OS, NetBSD is more known for its minimalism and extreme breadth of hardware support. It can run on almost anything. But in terms of usage numbers I'm pretty sure FreeBSD trumps it.
Re: FreeBSD at 30: Its secrets to success
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's been a long time, but IIRC the split was due to direction on SMP. From what I recall, the FreeBSD team made the right call at the time. https://people.freebsd.org/~kris/scaling/dfly.html
It was also a clash of personalities.
Similar issues contributed to there being multiple *BSDs. It's never that simple of course, but it was certainly a part of it. Technical/ideology and Personality all play a part.
Re: FreeBSD at 30: Its secrets to success
#74This part of FreeBSD history in Japan is also very interesting to read.
Re: FreeBSD at 30: Its secrets to success
#75was it really constructive for this pioneering tech to choose the actual "devil" as a logo? then the move to shiny plastic look for the logo? long-standing public divisions with no end.. niche opinionated choices sure, but dont be surprised at the results.
Created by John Lasseter who also directed Toy Story. Do you want to question the beginnings of Toy Story, too? Do you also hate Jesus?!!!
Re: FreeBSD at 30: Its secrets to success
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Nintendo Switch is based on FreeBSD as well. Also Juniper Networks and several other enterprise networking equipment manufacturers make extensive use of FreeBSD in their products. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_products_based_on_Free...
The switch kernel / Horizon/NX is not based on FreeBSD. This has been debunked over and over. The wikipedia list is not correct in that regard. see e.g. https://youtu.be/Ec4NgWRE8ik?t=700 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27109219 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17534593
Re: FreeBSD at 30: Its secrets to success
#77Not to be mean, but I started using Linux in 1992 (yes that early on, from the usenet posting), and I seem to recall hearing a lot more about FreeBSD or the *BSDs about 30 years ago than I do now. In my UNIX circles that I run around in, no one talks about FreeBSD. Honestly asking (yes, I guess I did not read the article) is most of its success on the commercial side? I think it is used in NAS boxes and routers/switc…
> and routers/switches a lot, right? Juniper's boxes all used to run a FreeBSD derivative. But even they have introduced Linux based products.
At least the FreeBSD Junos still runs on the devices on top of KVM. I just can't understand why they didn't go for jails/bhyve or illumos zones instead.
Re: FreeBSD at 30: Its secrets to success
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Created by John Lasseter who also directed Toy Story. Do you want to question the beginnings of Toy Story, too? Do you also hate Jesus?!!!
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> Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead.
Frankly, your wall of text is less helpful to the discussion here than the comment you're replying to.
Note: I have no opinion on what you and the other commenter are talking about.
Re: FreeBSD at 30: Its secrets to success
#79Has it been successful? NetBSD seems to be more popular. Last time I used freeBSD was as a child circa 18 years ago.
Re: FreeBSD at 30: Its secrets to success
#80Love FreeBSD but ... Really wish there wasn't a split between FreeBSD & Matt Dillon 20-years ago, since DragonflyBSD is so strong and yet FreeBSD hasn't benefited from it's innovations. They'd truly would be better together than apart. Can only imagine how much stronger the BSD ecosystem would be overall today, if the past 20-years these teams had been together. https://www.dragonflybsd.org Announcement: https://list…
It's been a long time, but IIRC the split was due to direction on SMP. From what I recall, the FreeBSD team made the right call at the time. https://people.freebsd.org/~kris/scaling/dfly.html
I’m not so sure.
Given how unstable FreeBSD 5 (intro of new SMP) was, until it finally stabilized multiple years later at v8.0 - I’m not sure others would have that same sentiment.
And seeing how DragonflyBSD performance is standing up to FreeBSD (and best’ing it times) even though they have a radically smaller developer community (and no corporate support) - it does challenge the topic of who was right.
I do think objectively, people would state that DragonflyBSD chose a clean/simpler architecture that’s easier to understand