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Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by galkk »

Apocryphon wrote: post #341
galkk wrote: post #339

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Could it be nothing of that but disregard for toxic behavior of op who either doesn’t have clue about tone, causes and consequences of the actions or refuses to own it. With the way how the post is written, and I find the end especially toxic, with points about trump era, throwing shade on a guy with hints of racism, I cannot see that this was just some unfortunate misunderstanding. omg your possible explanations: mi…

To flip the political polarity, this is a matter of free speech, an issue championed by the right as of late- and involving Twitter, no less! It becomes an interesting case study once you strip away the triggering particulars and examine it from a bigger picture.

Person was fired for offending, in very harsh words, a CUSTOMER while being on behalf of a VENDOR. HN people in this thread see it as it is, without deflection attempt by OP (oh, this is DoD, this is government official, he is corrupt, he is racist, trump era, fuck you is not big deal etc etc etc).

Some people have strong feelings against Monsanto. Pfizer. Oil industry. Solar industry. Chemical industry. Meat processing industry. Would this be an excuse to write the things that this person did? No.

Imagine scenario. Instead of DoD there is a slide from a guy from Tyson. And some vegan activist, who represents VENDOR in professional capacity, literally writes the same tweets: "Fuck you", then "Blood on your hands". Will that be acceptable? Should that be ok?

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by galkk »

newaccount74 wrote: post #349
galkk wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could it be nothing of that but disregard for toxic behavior of op who either doesn’t have clue about tone, causes and consequences of the actions or refuses to own it. With the way how the post is written, and I find the end especially toxic, with points about trump era, throwing shade on a guy with hints of racism, I cannot see that this was just some unfortunate misunderstanding. omg your possible explanations: mi…

> I cannot see that this was just some unfortunate misunderstanding It obviously wasn't a misunderstanding. The story is about a person who insulted an air force official, and got fired as a result. There is no misunderstanding about this. So the relevant question is, should programmers be fired for insulting government brass on Twitter? I would expect most of HN to say "No, they shouldn't". But in this case, the ove…

The fact about government brass is deflection. See my comment above

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by neoromantique »

gdy wrote: post #387
SergeAx wrote: post #386

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Every country in the world has their share of far right bozos. Those of Azov are quite mild, by the way. And they are putting their lives where their mouths are, suprisingly, going out and fight Russians. Unlikely their European or US ideology brothers, who mostly fight the police during and after football games. Or, even worse, harmless LGBT folks on pride parades.

"Every country in the world has their share of far right bozos" I'd suggest you follow the links I gave you. "In this first English-language book on the Azov movement, Michael Colborne explains how Azov came to be and continues to exploit Ukraine’s fractured social and political situation—including the only ongoing war on European soil – to build one of the most ambitious and dangerous far-right movements in the worl…

>And by the way, what other country made a neo-Nazi brigade a part of its army?

Literally all of them, including Russia of course(which has multiple).

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by Apocryphon »

galkk wrote: post #451
Apocryphon wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To flip the political polarity, this is a matter of free speech, an issue championed by the right as of late- and involving Twitter, no less! It becomes an interesting case study once you strip away the triggering particulars and examine it from a bigger picture.

Person was fired for offending, in very harsh words, a CUSTOMER while being on behalf of a VENDOR. HN people in this thread see it as it is, without deflection attempt by OP (oh, this is DoD, this is government official, he is corrupt, he is racist, trump era, fuck you is not big deal etc etc etc). Some people have strong feelings against Monsanto. Pfizer. Oil industry. Solar industry. Chemical industry. Meat process…

To be honest, I thought the inflammatory tweet against Walmart was suspect enough, both because one would assume that if there's a VMWare business deal with a fellow corporation it would be more at risk than one with the federal government (or not: https://siliconangle.com/2015/03/17/u-s-military-drops-1-6b-...). One would think that would merit more potentially scrutiny and censure, because when it comes to the government there's an element of protected political speech (so long as it does not trigger any security concerns) that provides plausible deniability, as the OP is engaging there. So no, I don't think it's equivalent to Tyson, because the latter is more of a business risk.

> Will that be acceptable? Should that be ok?

A lot of the language being heralded as examples of brave free speech on social media are far from acceptable or okay either, but that’s where those fights take place- on the margins, at the boundaries of social tolerance.

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Post by nicolas_17 »

HydianSnake1 wrote: post #264
Freak_NL wrote: post #183

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She. If you are unsure of a person's gender, just use 'they', but don't assume it's a man. In this case the pronouns are right there on the top of the blog though (as well used in the article).

I suspect the author owns quite a few pairs of programming socks, however.

...so?

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by jzb »

ryandrake wrote: post #447
jzb wrote: post #405

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There's an in-between, here. The author was at a conference representing said company. Maybe they were told to go, but this isn't VMware policing their speech in general - this is someone attending an event on VMware's behalf and picking a fight directly with the speaker. I'd feel very differently if VMware fired someone for voicing a political opinion outside the context of work with no reasonable association with V…

> I'd feel very differently if VMware fired someone for voicing a political opinion outside the context of work with no reasonable association with VMware other than being employed there. Depending on the "political opinion" I would absolutely expect to be fired for expressing it even "outside the context of work with no reasonable association with [company]." If I went out and stood on a highway overpass waving a na…

I really didn’t want to drill down into that. I don’t consider being a Nazi a “political opinion.” That’s outright denying other people right to exist, and shouldn’t be dignified as a legitimate political stance.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by pandaman »

neoromantique wrote: post #453
gdy wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Every country in the world has their share of far right bozos" I'd suggest you follow the links I gave you. "In this first English-language book on the Azov movement, Michael Colborne explains how Azov came to be and continues to exploit Ukraine’s fractured social and political situation—including the only ongoing war on European soil – to build one of the most ambitious and dangerous far-right movements in the worl…

>And by the way, what other country made a neo-Nazi brigade a part of its army? Literally all of them, including Russia of course(which has multiple).

Are you able to name a couple, or even one, if multiple are too hard?

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by neoromantique »

pandaman wrote: post #458
neoromantique wrote: post #453

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>And by the way, what other country made a neo-Nazi brigade a part of its army? Literally all of them, including Russia of course(which has multiple).

Are you able to name a couple, or even one, if multiple are too hard?

Wagner and its sub Rusich? Both are directly funded by Russia (as recently admitted by Putin himself).

You can possibly claim that it is PMC rather than direct Russian military, but then there is the recent ultimatum given to Wagner troops -- Join Russian military ranks or leave.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by pandaman »

neoromantique wrote: post #459
pandaman wrote: post #458

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you able to name a couple, or even one, if multiple are too hard?

Wagner and its sub Rusich? Both are directly funded by Russia (as recently admitted by Putin himself). You can possibly claim that it is PMC rather than direct Russian military, but then there is the recent ultimatum given to Wagner troops -- Join Russian military ranks or leave.

Even if we consider "Wagner" to be "neo-nazi" with no evidence what so ever, as you noticed yourself, it's a PMC, so it's not a part of the military. And the ultimatum confirms that (you cannot demand people who are part of the military to join the military). As for "Rusich" relation to "Wagner" there are just Western journalists claiming that. "Wagner" is not very secretive and Prigozhin is making more videos than some ecelebs yet he never mentioned that nor has shown any "Rusich" troops.

Was it all you had?

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