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Open Letter from Security Researchers in Relation to the Online Safety Bill [pdf]

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The apps would be delisted in the UK app stores and will eventually stop working for existing users when not updated. That's also a security issue in itself.

It'll be a matter of installing the app "from unknown source" then?

Or get signed and trusted apps from a community run alternative "app store" like F-Droid, Arch, or Debian.

Re: Open Letter from Security Researchers in Relation to the Online Safety Bill [pdf]

#132
post #28

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It'll be a matter of installing the app "from unknown source" then?

Can't do that on iOS.

No one using authoritarian computing platforms will fare well at resisting authoritarians.

Re: Open Letter from Security Researchers in Relation to the Online Safety Bill [pdf]

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post #130

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As far as the Patriot Act, when Max Cleland came out against it, the Republicans claimed he “didn’t love his country”. Cleland lost three limbs in Vietnam. None of his opponents had ever served.

The only senator who voted against the Patriot Act was Russ Feingold. >...On October 25, the Act passed the Senate with a vote of 98–1. Russ Feingold (D-WI) voted "no" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act#:~:text=The%20thre... .

You’re right. I mixed up the attack ads were not for the patriot act.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a38201636/max...

Re: Open Letter from Security Researchers in Relation to the Online Safety Bill [pdf]

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post #46

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The UK public are extremely conservative, and extremely misinformed by conservative news sources. That's at the root of a lot of the demand for authoritarianism.

Starmer et al. aren't any less authoritarian than the Tories.

People always seem to conveniently forget this.

Labour are the party who passed that very nasty "Tell us your password or go to prison" law under "If you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to hide from law enforcement or the government." mentality.

Red Tories are still Tories.

This leaves the Lib Dems, who sadly have zero interest in repealing the Online Safety Bill if it passes.

Re: Open Letter from Security Researchers in Relation to the Online Safety Bill [pdf]

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I'm not going to read that. Unless you're the opinion columnist for USA today? Cause I asked you about your opinion.

Is it an “opinion” that Elon Musk blocked links to Mastadon and the account that was tracking his plane using publicly available information? Or do you just refuse to read anything that contradicts your world view?

And we're into ad hominem attacks.

I'm sure I deserved that for asking your opinion.

Re: Open Letter from Security Researchers in Relation to the Online Safety Bill [pdf]

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Is it an “opinion” that Elon Musk blocked links to Mastadon and the account that was tracking his plane using publicly available information? Or do you just refuse to read anything that contradicts your world view?

And we're into ad hominem attacks. I'm sure I deserved that for asking your opinion.

You don’t need an “opinion” about whether Musk is blocking Twitter links he doesn’t agree with.

That’s an easily verifiable fact that you could have found out about just by reading the link you refused to read.

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The public have been sold a lie. Just like the “Patriot Act” was just to keep everybody free and protect people from terrorists. It happens everywhere, and has been happening for a long time - it’s more about the narrative made up by the people pushing a law than what the law actually does. It would take a particularly free, particularly good media to inform the public that just doesn’t exist in most of the world.

> The public have been sold a lie. Just like the “Patriot Act” was just to keep everybody free and protect people from terrorists. The public tend to believe what they've been informed and the press tend to be inept when it comes to Gov surveillance. The history of editors and journalists is 1) they reprint Gov Natsec claims w/o analysis or a single thought about Gov's history and 2) will only report surveillance wro…

There’s some irony here about being a journalist yet not even considering individual privacy. Seems indicative of a missing journalistic quality lol

Re: Open Letter from Security Researchers in Relation to the Online Safety Bill [pdf]

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As I understand it, most UK public are in favour of this bill almost Pavlovianly. There is a clear disconnect between us, the tech know-how, and the general public.

You much overestimate how politically involved the UK public is. Most people don’t know what this bill is. In the UK there’s a concept of the “Westminster bubble”. Politicians believe that people care deeply about “online safety”, which is all that matters really.

Politicians don't believe that. But they know that the newspapers will vilify them at election time if they don't play along with the security & safety lobby, and the news media shapes voter preferences.

Re: Open Letter from Security Researchers in Relation to the Online Safety Bill [pdf]

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post #44

As I understand it, most UK public are in favour of this bill almost Pavlovianly. There is a clear disconnect between us, the tech know-how, and the general public.

The public have been sold a lie. Just like the “Patriot Act” was just to keep everybody free and protect people from terrorists. It happens everywhere, and has been happening for a long time - it’s more about the narrative made up by the people pushing a law than what the law actually does. It would take a particularly free, particularly good media to inform the public that just doesn’t exist in most of the world.

People rarely pay attention to bills before they are passed. This just seems like another case of people answering polling with higher confidence than they should.

The people are always sold a lie. But in a democracy, it is the responsibility of the voter to identify when they are being lied to and to search for the truth.

As much as you claim that media isn’t free and isn’t good, I look around and see the opposite. Now is the best time in the history of the world to get amazing journalism. You are just too focused on the media you dislike to admit that with selection comes lots of terrible choices.

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