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Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by smsm42 »

So, we have here:

A person that publicly curses out the military, while on a job conference paid by her employer, and while the military is their client, and adds vile personal attacks to that. The justification for it - "I was mad". Sure, then of course it makes it ok, of course if you're mad the rules no longer apply to you, sorry we even asked.

Refuses to promise she wouldn't keep doing it, while having the gall to "propose to improve" the guidelines so that they suit her personally. Probably adding "all the above doesn't apply if the employee feels mad at DoD for existing".

Refuses to admit there's anything wrong about inflammatory offensive cussing (I'm not talking about serene or even heated political debate, "fuck you" is not that) - again, while being on the job, and repeatedly being suggested by hr that it's not how things are done.

Signing the NDA, because sweet sweet money.

Violating the NDA as soon as she's sure they won't ask for the money back, because agreements are for other people to follow.

Somehow making it all Trumps fault because sure, that's what Trump was doing for 4 years, personally ensuring this person could not tell her bombshell story.

Looks like a nice person to work with, yep.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by colpabar »

morelisp wrote: post #364
janejeon wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The pony IS her authentic self As a trans woman, I will pitch in and say this kind of stuff (from fringes of trans/queer community) is why we get hate crimed. There's medical basis (decades of research and literature) for asserting that one's gender does not match their biological sex. There's not a DSM V criteria for being a pony.

There is also nobody claiming to be a pony. If you're a trans woman you shouldn't be baited so easily. I assure you they would keep "hate criming" you no matter how many cartoons you like.

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Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by rewmie »

slg wrote: post #221
znpy wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think what your employer does is unacceptable you shouldn’t work for them (even if this happens via an acquisition). But most people are extremely hypocritical, and will gladly ignore their “ideals” in the name of the holy fat paycheque.

>If you think what your employer does is unacceptable you shouldn’t work for them (even if this happens via an acquisition). I disagree. If leadership of a company makes an ethically questionable decision and everyone who disagrees with that decision quits, that leaves an even more ethically questionable organization behind. I think all good people have an obligation to voice an ethical objection to their company's b…

> think all good people have an obligation to voice an ethical objection to their company's behavior whenever relevant.

Posting a cynical tweet does not reflect a moral high ground, specially if the person doing the tweeting doesn't express any similar concern on any other occasion regarding their line of work and how they contribute directly and indirectly to that moral hazard, and apparently gets disappointed when their employer fires them.

Frankly, it all looks like puerile attention-seeking fuelled by Twitter echo chambers.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by parineum »

Osmose wrote: post #421
parineum wrote: post #361

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All of that stuff is irrelevant, you get a new job and all of that stays the same. You're just flailing for social justice buzz words now. As for "speaking out" on social media, that's not really a loss, it's useless. Talk to a lawyer, if you have a case, they'll take it for free. It's funny that slacktivism is so normalized that people think it's the right thing to do when they are trying to help themselves.

> All of that stuff is irrelevant, you get a new job and all of that stays the same. I'm glad life is so simple for you that you can just get free lawyers and new jobs whenever anything goes wrong, but others can't and they're concerns and fears that people deal with every day.

Again, free lawyers are generally available for any person who has a reasonable chance of winning a case. The author of the article herself appears to have done that. Expensive lawyers in civil cases are for people who are making cases with little chance to win, often where the legal proceeding is the goal itself.

Also, We're talking about moving jobs by choice due to a disagreement with your current employer. The author of the article isn't some coal miner in a dead end coal town, she's a software engineer, she can find another job, or could have, if she didn't publicly prove herself to be more trouble than she's worth and then double-down by publicly brag about it.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by Apocryphon »

yuliyp wrote: post #425
Osmose wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Stabbing you in the back" is pretty strong language for posting social media about a personal experienced at a job she no longer has at a company that will barely see any consequences from this post using a right that literally the government has granted all workers now. Like what world do you live in that people don't complain about their old jobs such that you think it's that unacceptable?

Stab in the back feels apt for signing something to get money in exchange for not saying bad things, only to go and say bad things once the OP realized there would not be consequences for that.

It depends- was that clause the linchpin of the agreement, or rather just a technicality that became obsoleted as it became unenforceable? A bit of click-through EULA.

In any case, regardless of the intentions of the author, VMWare doesn’t look particularly worse off for having this story publicized. It feels like they were caught between a rock and hard place.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by morelisp »

colpabar wrote: post #433
morelisp wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is also nobody claiming to be a pony. If you're a trans woman you shouldn't be baited so easily. I assure you they would keep "hate criming" you no matter how many cartoons you like.

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Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by smsm42 »

eusto wrote: post #17
constantly wrote: post #4

I would have fired this person as soon as humanly possible for basically (actually) telling customers of the company to go F themselves, and making horribly insensitive and inappropriate jokes at their expense. imho the point of this article seems to be to tell the story where big bad VMWare or the target of VMWare’s employee’s ire stomped on poor VMWare employee, but I think it makes the employee look bad. I would a…

"I go to conferences and I say 'Fuck you!' to presenters, but I tweet a lot so I thought nothing of it".

Also when HR approaches me about it, I tell them their rules are stupid, but I am willing to educate them and show them how to write the correct rules, if they ask nicely.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by smsm42 »

ben_w wrote: post #94
constantly wrote: post #4

I would have fired this person as soon as humanly possible for basically (actually) telling customers of the company to go F themselves, and making horribly insensitive and inappropriate jokes at their expense. imho the point of this article seems to be to tell the story where big bad VMWare or the target of VMWare’s employee’s ire stomped on poor VMWare employee, but I think it makes the employee look bad. I would a…

I'm not a free speech absolutist[0], but if there's one speech one ought to be free to do, it's to write mean things about a government body (or deals with one) in a country that has a constitutional right to free speech. [0] neither is the US, despite what it says; I am however a free-speech maximalist , and the differences between these positions includes but is not limited to acknowledging that some speech chills…

If anybody would prosecute this person under the color of law for her speech, I'd be first to object. I am also very against going for people's job for something they said in their personal capacity, or for disagreeing with their politics.

But that's not what happened. What happened is that she personally cursed out a client, publicly accusing this person in war crimes, while being on a job conference. And, when confronted about that, she basically told HR "your rules are stupid, I'm not going to follow them, let me educate you about how your job should be done". This is not a free speech issue, this is "rules don't apply to me because I am a precious flower that is always right" issue. The organization could choose to tolerate and accommodate this kind of an employee if it's worth it, but nothing requires them to. She is still free to curse out the government in her free time, or when she is outside her job duties - and I would be the first, again, to support her right to do so. But maybe realizing there's a time and a place for such things may do her some good. And if she can't control herself while being on a job (and going to the conference is part of one's job, otherwise why would their employer pay for it?) and be a professional then maybe she should look for some job that does not involve doing that.

Note she wasn't even fired for the conference BS. It was when she explicitly refused to commit to social media guidelines that they pulled the plug. I say if you prioritize the ability to say shit on twitter over your job, then it's not a question of free speech, it's a question of choice. She made her choice, now she's completely free to say shit on twitter.

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