That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job • Hacker News Board

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by Osmose » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 3:23 PM UTC

parineum wrote: post #361

Osmose wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Employability isn't the only factor, there's insurance, health, debt, rising cost of living, visa status, and so on that can make it such that, while you can _technically_ leave at any time, it may be disastrous to do so. Which has knock-on effects like "people with disabilities are pressured to not speak out on social media for fear of losing the job that is covering life-saving treatments" without better protection…

All of that stuff is irrelevant, you get a new job and all of that stays the same. You're just flailing for social justice buzz words now. As for "speaking out" on social media, that's not really a loss, it's useless. Talk to a lawyer, if you have a case, they'll take it for free. It's funny that slacktivism is so normalized that people think it's the right thing to do when they are trying to help themselves.

> All of that stuff is irrelevant, you get a new job and all of that stays the same.

I'm glad life is so simple for you that you can just get free lawyers and new jobs whenever anything goes wrong, but others can't and they're concerns and fears that people deal with every day.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by tonnydourado » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 3:24 PM UTC

Y'all are really telling on yourselves by shitting on OP. It's all about defending freedom of speech until the speech is a gay furry communist telling the army to fuck off.

Should OP have tweeted as they did, specially while attending an event *on behalf* of their employer? Yeah, it is asking for trouble. Yeah, the company does have a right to fire them.

What should be extremely grinding y'all gears though is:

1. A government employee should NEVER be the initiator of such an event. Even if it's legal, smells A LOT like the government trying to silence citizens.

2. The minute the company says "we'll accept your resignation" and tried to get out of paying what OP was owed, they become the bad guys, doesn't matter how obnoxious OP might be. If you wanna fire someone, have the balls to actually fire them and pay up whatever was agreed to in the contract.

I'll give a bit of a pass on 2, because a lot of HN commenters are Americans, and Americans are brainwashed by their shitty work laws, they lost perspective of what is fair in an employer/employee relationship.

But 1? Reverse the ideologies and this post would've been front page for 3 weeks.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by jjj123 » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 3:31 PM UTC

outcoldman wrote: post #406

Hamuko wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"He" is also used as a gender-neutral pronoun, much like "man" is used for "person". https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/he#Pronoun

Not a native speaker, but my assumption is that we are trying to go easy on “guys”, “man” and “he”. It is not hard to say “they”, “person”, “people”. Also, I cannot really explain really well, but it seems like there is a big difference saying “he” about just mythical person, and referring to a real person (whose gender you don’t know).

Yep you’re 100% spot on. “He” works with hypotheticals (even if that’s a bit outdated) but not when talking about a specific person.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by Apocryphon » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 3:36 PM UTC

000ooo000 wrote: post #382

icu wrote: post #315

This situation is complicated and I've noticed most of the top posters saying they would fire the employee immediately. However, the behaviour expectations weren't communicated properly post acquisition and it's really the company's management who are responsible for protecting the company from these situations. Imho the situation is something like, it's the employee's fault, but not their responsibility. Management…

Is this a defense of tweeting "fuck you" at a customer based in the company not having said "don't tweet 'fuck you' at customers"? Is there some ambiguity at play here, like in some cases employees are encouraged to tweet fuck you at customers? I'm puzzled

Presumably there are companies that consider your social media part of your personal life and beyond the purview of corporate scrutiny. Maybe the reason why the author felt entitled to act this way was because their company permitted them to tweet like this prior to the VMWare acquisition.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by yuliyp » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 3:49 PM UTC

Osmose wrote: post #285

revelio wrote: post #243

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Even worse than that. She took the $40k in return for agreeing to not disparage VMware. She then immediately started disparaging them, but it was "in private" whatever that means, so she presumed she wouldn't get caught. And then once her preferred candidate is in the White House she figures it's now safe to violate her agreement in public too, thus keeping the $40k AND going back on her word. She stiffed VMware once…

"Stabbing you in the back" is pretty strong language for posting social media about a personal experienced at a job she no longer has at a company that will barely see any consequences from this post using a right that literally the government has granted all workers now. Like what world do you live in that people don't complain about their old jobs such that you think it's that unacceptable?

Stab in the back feels apt for signing something to get money in exchange for not saying bad things, only to go and say bad things once the OP realized there would not be consequences for that.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by irrational » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 4:32 PM UTC

> I pointed out the social media guidelines were basically impossible to follow

Can someone explain why they are impossible to follow? Just… don’t tweet (or use other social media) and you are following them, right? Apparently I’ve been doing the impossible since forever.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by irrational » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 4:34 PM UTC

squeaky-clean wrote: post #149

pewpew2020 wrote: post #43

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and that was an "external" witness, not even an employee of the company. Which company would tolerate that? Social media has somehow conditioned people to think they can air all of their opinions with no filter and when there are consequences, they act surprised.

I took external to mean someone not involved in the conflict. If they actually were external to the company, that's insane and definitely cemented them being fired. Maybe even before the second round of live-tweeting.

It must have been external to the company, because later they say that they were asked not to invite someone external, so they invited a fellow employee instead.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by irrational » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 4:38 PM UTC

grimgoldgo wrote: post #202

irjustin wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the "live-tweeting" aspect. You're not showing a basic level of respect to the nature of the conversation.

She wasn't live tweeting her hr warning, her witness was. (Who was likely not a participant in the conversation).

How is it that you think this makes it better? I’m asking in all seriousness. To my mind, I can’t conceive of ever thinking this way, so I’m trying to understand what your thought process is.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by gdy » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 4:39 PM UTC

SergeAx wrote: post #386

gdy wrote: post #362

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You mean used by these guys? [0][1] Where do they sit on your morality scale? [2][3][4] [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/world/europe/nazi-symbols... [1] http://cup.columbia.edu/book/from-the-fires-of-war/978383821... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ukraine-hasbetter-he... [3] https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-row-over-holocaust-history-... [4] https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukraine-tells-israel-to-st…

Every country in the world has their share of far right bozos. Those of Azov are quite mild, by the way. And they are putting their lives where their mouths are, suprisingly, going out and fight Russians. Unlikely their European or US ideology brothers, who mostly fight the police during and after football games. Or, even worse, harmless LGBT folks on pride parades.

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Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 05, 2023, 4:47 PM UTC

gdy wrote: post #388

_kbh_ wrote: post #370

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> You mean used by these guys? [0][1] Where do they sit on your morality scale? [2][3][4] Where do you the Russian soldiers raping and torturing children in Ukraine sit on your scale?. [1] Where does the Russian government giving 1 Billion dollars to a PMC run by a Nazi with SS symbols tattooed on himself sit on your scale?. [2][3] [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-troops-raped-tort... [2] https://www.po…

"Where do you the Russian soldiers raping and torturing children in Ukraine sit on your scale?. " About in the same place as Iraqi soldiers taking babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital, removing the incubators and leaving the babies to die. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

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