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Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by starbugs »

neuronic wrote: post #109
KptMarchewa wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you could leave nuclear, and "replace" lignite with wind and solar instead, you actually replaced nuclear with lignite. >The decision to phase out nuclear has long been made (for good reasons). No, it was made for bad reasons. >Keeping them active or even building new reactors of that kind is not an economically viable solution. The price Germany pays for this is higher carbon emissions for the time being until re…

Your comment is wrong and malicious and looking at the data proves you wrong. Using lignite only slowed the reduction of coal, nuclear was almost completely replaced by renewables. https://www.energy-charts.info/charts/power/chart.htm?l=en&c...

Could you please explain how that chart proves your argument and how it makes the parent comment "malicious"?

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by dudeinjapan »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #119
sparkling wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by Taig »

DeathArrow wrote: post #108
Taig wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany actually replaced the nuclear energy with wind & solar. The argument that remains is that instead of phasing out nuclear, reducing coal would have been preferred. The decision to phase out nuclear has long been made (for good reasons). Keeping them active or even building new reactors of that kind is not an economically viable solution. The price Germany pays for this is higher carbon emissions for the time b…

>Keeping them active or even building new reactors of that kind is not an economically viable solution. Only reason nuclear energy is not viable is the people pushing against it, which means less nuclear plants are being built and prices skyrocketing. If people would have pushed for nuclear energy like they push for wind and solar, then we would have no coal or gas burning plants by now.

A few reasons why people might be pushing against nuclear:

  - high electricity generation costs
  - "I don't want to live next to a nuclear plant"
  - If Japan can't handle it securely, why do we think we can?
  - Unsolved long-term waste storage location
  - Cost for long-term storage must additionally covered by the society
  - We are producing radioactive waste that must be securely stored for thousands of years to feed the energy needs of a couple generations, even though there are more sustainable and cheaper alternatives

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by JanSt »

cubefox wrote: post #62

Grams of CO2 per kWh: France: 43 Germany: 398 https://abload.de/img/img_20230705_133511_84efdp.jpg The reason? Germans hate nuclear and prefer coal as a stable energy source.

Most of the population changed their mind and is pro-nuclear. But sadly the only party really supporting nuclear energy is the AfD, which is a far-right party most would never consider to vote for.

Nuclear phase-out is part of the Green party identity; the CDU had Merkel going against nuclear after Fukushima and can't really go back, the FDP agreed, the SPD is also against it.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by Scharkenberg »

sparkling wrote: post #74
thiago_fm wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't this an advantage? Why should a rich country keep its industry and salaries flat for so long?

Industrial companies have been the backbone of the German economy for the longest time. They provided decent living wages for a large section of the blue collar workforce. The reality is that not everyone is built for a office job, not everyone has the skills, education or intellectual capacity to work in a service-based economy. Yet, these folks could make a decent living for themselves.

"Decent living" for the standards of year 2000 perhaps. Real wages stagnated for a long time while rich got relatively even richer. Furthermore, the structure of the economy has been changing, it's just that Germany is slow to adapt (perhaps more so because of its aging population).

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by misja111 »

Lol. If I'm reading the article properly, renewable energy production actually went -down- in 2023 compared to 2022: 97TW compared to 99TW one year earlier. But: non-renewable energy production in GE went down even more, due to, amongst others, the shutdown of nuclear plants.

Did GE then start consume so much less energy compared to 2022? No it did not. GE -produced- less energy, in particular less non-renewable energy. But to compensate, it imported more energy. And all this imported energy was non renewable; much of it was LPG that was imported from oversea.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Post by chess_buster »

mutlimind wrote: post #13
newyankee wrote: post #3

I think renewable energy disruption is happening faster than many can fathom. A few breakthroughs in storage technology and things might actually turn into optimism from Climate fears in 1 or 2 decades. Hopefully entrenched interests do not let free market disrupt them this time.

In the past 2 decades Germany has blown hundreds of billions of dollars into renewable energy. Now we have the highest electricity price in the world. It is all socialism. Zero market :-(

The energy is traded using Direktvermarktung and that's purely a market.
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