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Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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Actually Germany recently shut down all of it's nuclear plants and replaced them with the dirtiest fuel possible: lignite coal burning plants. Statistics are a peculiar thing.

Some more stats (in german): https://www.pv-magazine.de/2023/07/03/atomausstieg-anteil-de...

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

#72
post #31

Retail prices still seem at a record 40c/kwh or more. Perhaps tolerable with a C4 professor Fraunhofer salary, adjusted for inflation (unlike the salaries of the plebs).

No they aren't. Prices range from 26ct/kwh to 31ct for consumers at the moment.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

#73
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Electricity, maybe. Energy? I wish. This headline would be more true if we had transportation fully electrified and all buildings heated with heat pumps, but last I heard the proposed law to require the latter transition to be started in 2024 was dropped again, and they're also still debating about starting to require transitioning the combustion engine fleets to electric by, what was it, 2030? I also still see stick…

In the meantime, Switzerland is installing solar panels on train tracks [0] instead of, I don't know, people's roofs. There is so much promising tech coming out in terms of energy storage and we're seeing almost zero investment from governments. Everything's backwards.

[0] https://www.techspot.com/news/98944-switzerland-installing-s...

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

#74

The deindustrialization has begun.

Isn't this an advantage? Why should a rich country keep its industry and salaries flat for so long?

Industrial companies have been the backbone of the German economy for the longest time. They provided decent living wages for a large section of the blue collar workforce.

The reality is that not everyone is built for a office job, not everyone has the skills, education or intellectual capacity to work in a service-based economy. Yet, these folks could make a decent living for themselves.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

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post #55
post #4

Actually Germany recently shut down all of it's nuclear plants and replaced them with the dirtiest fuel possible: lignite coal burning plants. Statistics are a peculiar thing.

Germany actually replaced the nuclear energy with wind & solar. The argument that remains is that instead of phasing out nuclear, reducing coal would have been preferred. The decision to phase out nuclear has long been made (for good reasons). Keeping them active or even building new reactors of that kind is not an economically viable solution. The price Germany pays for this is higher carbon emissions for the time b…

Germany didn't replace nuclear energy at all. Germany is producing less electricity than when nuclear reactors were running.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

#76
post #4

Actually Germany recently shut down all of it's nuclear plants and replaced them with the dirtiest fuel possible: lignite coal burning plants. Statistics are a peculiar thing.

Coal use is at a historic low in Germany, thus it is not possible that nuclear plants were replaced with coal. Statistics are reflecting reality, your facts are actually just guesses and opinions.

They absolutely were counterfactually. If nuclear power hadn't been shut down, much less coal energy would have been needed.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

#77

Living in Germany is leaving any big city and seeing loads of wind turbines everywhere. I know very little of its economics, like that it typically takes 7 years to pay it back and lasts 20-25 years, but looks like a good way to generate renewable energy and will likely soon take Germany to 100%. It's a goal for the government and for many years it has been pushing forward. I dislike many things here, but I can't say…

The US does invest in it, almost all new capacity added is renewables, has been for several years now, and this will not change unless something happens. The fastest grower is Texas of all places simply because it's really cheap.

Birds are not an environmental issue, it was just a made up talking point that was debunked. Windows and cars are responsible for an order of magnitude more bird deaths.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

#78
post #4

Actually Germany recently shut down all of it's nuclear plants and replaced them with the dirtiest fuel possible: lignite coal burning plants. Statistics are a peculiar thing.

Not really. Coal was just a temporary replacement, and mostly not for nuclear plants.

Coal is 30% currently: https://www.destatis.de/DE/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/2023/06... and I don't see this going away soon.

The argument is that we could have kept nuclear running and shut down all coal. In 1990, nuclear power plants were producing 153TWh in Germany. Today, coal+nuclear together is producing about as much.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

#79

Living in Germany is leaving any big city and seeing loads of wind turbines everywhere. I know very little of its economics, like that it typically takes 7 years to pay it back and lasts 20-25 years, but looks like a good way to generate renewable energy and will likely soon take Germany to 100%. It's a goal for the government and for many years it has been pushing forward. I dislike many things here, but I can't say…

> seeing loads of wind turbines everywhere The wind turbines are only there to hide the giant, coal-powered power plants that Germany had to restart because the tree-huggers who run that country decided to ditch nuclear. I very much doubt the veracity of this article.

Ditching nuclear doesn't make wind less important for Germany. I also do hope that this situation also changes, nuclear > coal.

I don't doubt the veracity of the article. We've been seeing similar and growing numbers for years. I don't get the hate to wind and how energy generation can easily become a political subject.

Re: Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for First Half of 2023

#80
post #55
post #4

Actually Germany recently shut down all of it's nuclear plants and replaced them with the dirtiest fuel possible: lignite coal burning plants. Statistics are a peculiar thing.

Germany actually replaced the nuclear energy with wind & solar. The argument that remains is that instead of phasing out nuclear, reducing coal would have been preferred. The decision to phase out nuclear has long been made (for good reasons). Keeping them active or even building new reactors of that kind is not an economically viable solution. The price Germany pays for this is higher carbon emissions for the time b…

If you could leave nuclear, and "replace" lignite with wind and solar instead, you actually replaced nuclear with lignite.

>The decision to phase out nuclear has long been made (for good reasons).

No, it was made for bad reasons.

>Keeping them active or even building new reactors of that kind is not an economically viable solution. The price Germany pays for this is higher carbon emissions for the time being until renewables push coal out of the mix. What Germany gains, on the other hand, is the removal of the most expensive form of energy

_Existing_ nuclear reactors are the cheapest possible source of electricity. You already had to build them and will have to close them. Left is the cheapest part, of actually operating them.

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