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Re: LXD is now under Canonical

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Post by 3np »

drdaeman wrote: post #59
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #17

Very soon Microsoft will acquire Canonical for at least $40 billion. The reasons: * Ubuntu powers the overwhelming majority of Azure workloads (both customer and internal) * Nearly all Linux applications and tooling target Ubuntu first (or at the very least) * Github, VSCode. The missing piece is the actual runtime operating system. Ubuntu. * Canonical employs nearly all the remaining core enterprise open-source deve…

> Ubuntu powers the overwhelming majority of Azure workloads I expect this to shift. Some years ago `FROM ubuntu:something` was a go-to for Dockerfiles when I wasn't feeling fancy with `FROM alpine` or `FROM busybox` (or `FROM scratch`). Today if I need a generic distro base, I'm consciously going with Debian-based images and Ubuntu is never an option anymore (it used to be "Debian, but better", it became "Debian, bu…

Surprisingly enough, if your primary motivation for doing this is to save system resources, it might be misguided. ubuntu-base docker images are slimmer than contemporary debian slim, even, though debian seems to have been closing the gap recently - I recall the discrepancy as larger. Below shows image sizes in MB as of today:

  docker.io/debian:bullseye         123.4
  docker.io/debian:bookworm         115.7
  docker.io/debian:bullseye-slim    80.1
  docker.io/ubuntu:22.04            76.6
  docker.io/debian:bookworm-slim    74.2
  docker.io/ubuntu:23.04            69.4
This is specific to docker images, while default ubuntu server or desktop releases are otherwise very much a bloat-fest compared to debian.

Re: LXD is now under Canonical

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Post by severino »

botanical wrote: post #88

Ubuntu is already the major contributor to LXD. What's peoples aversion to snaps in the thread? For me it makes for a stable system that allows me to run the latest version of apps in a confined space, it's actually perfect

> What's peoples aversion to snaps in the thread?

In my case, because it's being forced and replacing applications that worked out of the box with applications with issues. Firefox, for example. After it became a snap, you'll see a message telling you to close Firefox so it could update itself (?) but simply closing it is not enough and, last time I checked, it looked like you had to run some command line to solve it. Also, due to its sandboxing, external hardware like smart card readers didn't work in the snap version, so I couldn't log into e-government websites anymore.

I ended up installing the tarball version...

Re: LXD is now under Canonical

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Post by goku12 »

3np wrote: post #103
goku12 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vanilla LXD containers can't run podman inside them. You need privileged LXD containers. There were quite a few settings I had to figure out before I could get K3s to run on it. I'm considering publishing an article about it.

Not that I tried, but surely rootless (and daemonless) podman should work? Make sure to post the article on HN if it comes around, I'm sure it will be appreciated.

> Not that I tried, but surely rootless (and daemonless) podman should work?

That is something I'm yet to try. I will post whatever I can on HN. Thanks!

Re: LXD is now under Canonical

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Post by reidrac »

chubot wrote: post #28
totallywrong wrote: post #11

Stéphane Graber's work is fantastic and LXD had a lot of potential. But Canonical managed to drive me away from it with that abomination called Snap and its auto updates that could bring down a cluster without warning.

Yeah I'm setting up a Debian 12 Bookworm machine right now after ~13 years of being an Ubuntu user So far it's very snappy! My Ubuntu 18.04 machine somehow "rotted" in ways that previous installs didn't -- everything became slow and janky, sorta like Windows And I specifically installed 18.04 in 2021, to avoid Snaps But now it looks like Debian will work great

I did the same by the time Jessie was released. I realised the XFCE version was good enough, and I could use a few tools from the vendor binaries plus a couple of things I could compile.

Yes, it is more work, but since then I've been upgrading Debian and it just gets better!

Re: LXD is now under Canonical

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Post by mrweasel »

totallywrong wrote: post #11

Stéphane Graber's work is fantastic and LXD had a lot of potential. But Canonical managed to drive me away from it with that abomination called Snap and its auto updates that could bring down a cluster without warning.

It is really sad that more people aren't aware of LXD, because it is a really good solution of a number of projects and it's really well done.

On Snap... Even if you like Snaps packages, I can't imagine that you'd feel like it's a good choice for LXD. For a browser or email client, sure it's a solution, I suppose, but for thing like LXD it just adds an entire level over complexity that doesn't help. I'd go so far at to say that Snap packages makes LXD unusable, it's simply to complex, to messy. Canonical also have Microk8s (I think) which is packaged as a Snap, rendering it completely useless. The mental overhead required to make it function completely eliminates the point.

It also completely ignores highly regulated businesses, because Snap does not care and will just roll out an update whenever it feel like it.

I don't particularly like Snap, but I can see the use on desktops. For the server side... I don't know anyone who'd thinks it's neat.

Re: LXD is now under Canonical

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Post by voakbasda »

pmontra wrote: post #93
chubot wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I'm setting up a Debian 12 Bookworm machine right now after ~13 years of being an Ubuntu user So far it's very snappy! My Ubuntu 18.04 machine somehow "rotted" in ways that previous installs didn't -- everything became slow and janky, sorta like Windows And I specifically installed 18.04 in 2021, to avoid Snaps But now it looks like Debian will work great

I switched to Debian 11 for the same reasons around Christmas. I also found out faster than Ubuntu 20.04 and the fan starts spinning less often. I've been on Ubuntu since 8.04. When I can I'm creating servers with Debian too, personal ones and for customers. The only problem there is that Letsencrypt uses a snap to update the certificates, even on Debian [1]. Not all my servers need a web server but when they do I us…

I switched to dehydrated after LetsEncrypt snapped their client.

Re: LXD is now under Canonical

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Post by Self-Perfection »

pmontra wrote: post #93
chubot wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I'm setting up a Debian 12 Bookworm machine right now after ~13 years of being an Ubuntu user So far it's very snappy! My Ubuntu 18.04 machine somehow "rotted" in ways that previous installs didn't -- everything became slow and janky, sorta like Windows And I specifically installed 18.04 in 2021, to avoid Snaps But now it looks like Debian will work great

I switched to Debian 11 for the same reasons around Christmas. I also found out faster than Ubuntu 20.04 and the fan starts spinning less often. I've been on Ubuntu since 8.04. When I can I'm creating servers with Debian too, personal ones and for customers. The only problem there is that Letsencrypt uses a snap to update the certificates, even on Debian [1]. Not all my servers need a web server but when they do I us…

certbot is available in classic apt repositories in Debian and Ubuntu. No need to install it from snap.

https://repology.org/project/certbot/versions

Re: LXD is now under Canonical

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Post by pmontra »

vidarh wrote: post #104
pmontra wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched to Debian 11 for the same reasons around Christmas. I also found out faster than Ubuntu 20.04 and the fan starts spinning less often. I've been on Ubuntu since 8.04. When I can I'm creating servers with Debian too, personal ones and for customers. The only problem there is that Letsencrypt uses a snap to update the certificates, even on Debian [1]. Not all my servers need a web server but when they do I us…

If you pick "pip" instead of a specific Linux distro it gives you instructions without a snap.

I'm afraid that this is only a wrapper around the snap. I quote from that page

> If you have any Certbot packages installed using an OS package manager like apt, dnf, or yum, you should remove them before installing the Certbot snap to ensure that when you run the command certbot the snap is used rather than the installation from your OS package manager.

Re: LXD is now under Canonical

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Post by znpy »

chubot wrote: post #28
totallywrong wrote: post #11

Stéphane Graber's work is fantastic and LXD had a lot of potential. But Canonical managed to drive me away from it with that abomination called Snap and its auto updates that could bring down a cluster without warning.

Yeah I'm setting up a Debian 12 Bookworm machine right now after ~13 years of being an Ubuntu user So far it's very snappy! My Ubuntu 18.04 machine somehow "rotted" in ways that previous installs didn't -- everything became slow and janky, sorta like Windows And I specifically installed 18.04 in 2021, to avoid Snaps But now it looks like Debian will work great

Did the same ubuntu > debian transition a while ago… but then got fed up with old packages and other stuff. Nowadays I’m on fedora (xfce spin) and it’s just perfect.
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