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Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by resolutebat »

12907835202 wrote: post #330
Cody_C wrote: post #325

Anytime I hear about outdoor advertising I think of a quote I saw in the book Civilized to Death. A long time ago man saw Times Square and sat in silence. A few people asked him what he thought. He said this would be beautiful if I couldn't read.

Ha I was just thinking a similar thing. I'm much more immune to adverts in a foreign country especially if they use a different alphabet all together. I'm not quite sure I'd consider it beautiful, but it's mildly freeing nonetheless.

This is a big part of why people go gaga over the neon in Tokyo. It's less sexy when you can actually read all the MEIJI LIFE INSURANCE, ALL YOU CAN EAT BBQ, YODOBASHI CAMERA, [prostitution] INFORMATION CENTER ads it's composed of.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by kafkaesque »

alganet wrote: post #37

Some additions: Stores also cannot use their full façade for advertising. Branding colors and details are OK, but logos cannot be too large (don't know the exact rule). The law is picky. Some stores cheat by having a glass façade, and using LEDs inside that glass. Like this: https://imgur.com/a/CLdUD1C Since this law was adopted, there's been an increase in full building graffiti, which is not banned. Now 10 years la…

I'm interested to know what city is at the other end of the spectrum.

From my own travels, one city I would submit as a candidate would be Bangkok. In fact, I control-F'd Bangkok and no one has mentioned it yet.

As soon as you leave Savarnabhumi Airport, you are bombarded with maybe 15 to 20 billboards within just a few metres from each other, back to back. It was truly a wild thing to experience at first. All the billboards had the same ad, too.

Truly a thing to behold.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by resolutebat »

lostlogin wrote: post #244
Tade0 wrote: post #237

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These appear to be a worldwide phenomenon, except for places like Switzerland or Singapore. I'm this close to putting some ethanol into a hand sprayer and just walking around and removing them from places where the medium is permanent marker on laminated surface (usually signs).

> Singapore A caning and prison time for graffiti seems harsh. It would be interesting to know if the penalty or some other social pressure is what keeps the graffiti down. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-31744029.amp

Penalty plus ubiquitous CCTV: it's very hard to get away with it.

For what it's worth, my understanding the harsh punishments originated from the period in the 1960s when graffiti was mostly Communist propaganda, at a time when neighboring Malaysia was still fighting a very real Communist insurgency.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by milancurcic »

ajmurmann wrote: post #328
milancurcic wrote: post #50

Boca Raton doesn't allow billboards, car dealerships, or Walmarts. We don't normally notice it, but these things jar us as soon as we go to neighboring towns. It's a subtle improvement of outdoor experience (more architecture and green spaces) that percolates into quality of life. A good analogy of this may be browsing the web with ad blockers--pages with ads are busier, noisier, and load more slowly; yes, if the pag…

>Boca Raton doesn't allow billboards, car dealerships, or Walmarts How does the Walmart prohibition work? Is there a law that prohibits Walmart specifically? How about Sam's Club?

I don't know how it works exactly but assume it's in the city's zoning code. Thinking more about it, there's not a single superstore in the city. A Costco and several Targets are immediately outside of city limits. It's not even that small of a city--around 100k pop.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by virgulino »

whats_a_quasar wrote: post #190
tr4vis wrote: post #49

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I'm from Florianópolis and everyone I know hates that stupid billboard - it goes against the natural vibe of the city. In person it's an eye sore from kilometers away.

Not directly related, but it's so cool that three different people from Florianópolis have commented! I don't think I'd ever meet someone from that part of Brazil in my normal life. That's a little bit of internet magic

Now four.

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Post by d-cc »

ufo wrote: post #206
kibwen wrote: post #57

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> Since this law was adopted, there's been an increase in full building graffiti, which is not banned. Now 10 years later, it is more likely to see one of these nowadays than an empty outdoor frame Nearly all of these look like murals, not graffiti (these are distinct forms of street art). Regardless, those photos are beautiful and I'd love to have those instead of billboards in my city.

In Brazil, grafite means respectable street art such as murals. For vandalism we say pichação , or pixo .

Now I remember why I used to come here thank you

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by d-cc »

dustincoates wrote: post #154
causality0 wrote: post #114

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Are building murals not associated with ghettos outside the US? Where I live you know if you start seeing big faces on walls you're in the bad part of town and need to be careful.

In Houston there's enough for a website dedicated to them [0], and they aren't at all associated with "dangerous" parts of town. If anything, if you see one going up, you can bet your property taxes are, too. [0] https://houstonmuralmap.com/

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Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by seoulmetro »

hk__2 wrote: post #136
lucideer wrote: post #86

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> these are distinct forms of street art Can you elaborate on this? I've always thought a mural was just a type of graffiti?

> Can you elaborate on this? I've always thought a mural was just a type of graffiti? According to Wikipedia it’s the opposite: a graffiti is a type of mural [1]. However at least in French and in Italian a graffiti is an inscription on a wall, often done as vandalism, while a mural(e) is more like a fresco which often takes the full wall. As a French, for me this [2] is a mural and this [3] is a graffiti. [1]: https…

They're both graffiti. Graffiti can be beautiful or art to some people or not be. But if the person did not build the building with that mural/art on it to start, or did it at a later date as part of the same project, it is graffiti in the modern sense of the word (in English).

People thinking it is art, or thinking it is beautiful does not remove the aspect of it being graffiti. Even a large advertisement would be graffiti.

I would hate to live in a building that had a huge mural go up after I moved in personally, but that also doesn't make it graffiti or not.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by npteljes »

ajmurmann wrote: post #329
npteljes wrote: post #71

As an individual, I'd welcome no advertisements everywhere. I think ads were abused long enough. It's just a leech on the human life.

Funny enough, I agree with you in every context but this one. I don't want ads on tv or the internet, but I love Asian mega cities and think they'd look likely worse without the huge ads, especially the animated ones. Cyberpunk needs ads and I want cyberpunk dialed up to 11.

>they'd look likely worse without the huge ads

I agree with this one. Those flashy things really do cover up the ugly reality, in more ways than one, but they literally do too. But people need incentive to get things done. Broken that are covered up are not gonna get fixed, but if they are one the surface, they might.

Cyberpunk, as much as I love it, I'd treat it like other horror stories. Leave it in the fantasy world.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by npteljes »

whats_a_quasar wrote: post #192
npteljes wrote: post #71

As an individual, I'd welcome no advertisements everywhere. I think ads were abused long enough. It's just a leech on the human life.

I don't think 0 advertisements is feasible - some level of advertising is necessary for businesses to communicate. Shops ought to be able to have signs. I think banning outdoor advertisements is a great idea, though, because people don't opt in to seeing billboards.

Sure it's feasible. For one, if I were to ban everything, I'm sure people with come up with something, it would be a never-ending cat and mouse game. And one of the somethings could be that there could be catalogs, or assistants, who you can turn to for "help" to get something.
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