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Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by saghm »

deaddodo wrote: post #67
crabbone wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On one hand, this is also what I use, and it kind of works. On the other hand... Wine and NVidia seem to not like each other... at all. Every game will require tinkering with Wine and a bunch of things that are supposed to wortk with various NVidia drivers and video adapters. And there's non-zero chance that it simply won't work. Or won't work with your display manager / desktop manager / monitor connection etc. For…

My laptop is all AMD (AMD Ryzen 6800HS) and I think people have rose-colored glasses of the AMD situation. I certainly prefer it for many reasons: it's driver stack is open source, it has full DRI2 support, it works with Wayland, etc. That being said, it has plenty of it's own problems and I've run into many of them with Proton/Wine. I would dare say, more than my Nvidia laptop did (though, this was before Steam Deck…

Yeah, I think this is how I feel after using AMD GPUs to try to game on Wine for the past year after a few years of trying nvidia. I definitely prefer AMD, but there are _always_ weird things to try to work around on Wine; for more actively updated games (like MMOs), sometimes things will suddenly stop working even if they were running smoothly for a while. I think things are on average better now than there were a few years ago, and I hope they continue getting better, but right now I'm not sure there's any option for gaming with Wine/proton that doesn't require a lot of tweaking for performance at the moment.

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by boomboomsubban »

ot1138 wrote: post #62
mordae wrote: post #22

Just use Lutris. It can fetch various flavours of wine and manage your bottles. https://lutris.net/

Just tried wine for the first time yesterday to use a AFR meter. Did not work at all. Wine did not support the USB connection.

Wine is meant for programs, not device drivers.

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by philistine »

hunter2_ wrote: post #52
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #36

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Almost anyone using Wine is familiar with the term and CodeWeavers’ usage of it.

I'm sure Microsoft was familiar with not only windows on buildings, but also other OSes' use of the term "window" as a GUI element (dating back to Xerox Alto in 1973), and called their 1985 product "Windows" anyway, so there's precedent.

Microsoft literally researched every tech article about GUIs to extract all the terms journalists used to describe them. They then chose the most common word from all these articles.

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by mise_en_place »

_9za9 wrote: post #12
beebmam wrote: post #8

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Can you explain how containers are bloated?

In my case, BTCPayServer was wrapped in a docker container because the developer loves docker... but I took the docker out of the project after I forked it because I felt putting the project in a docker container was extra bloat that was convoluted and unnecessary. In other words, a "container" didn't have to wrap the project, it was just implemented because of a dev insisting on it. That is bloat to me, extra and un…

BTCPayServer’s container setup was quite trivial, granted I used it last a few years ago. I had no issues with the container itself. You are free to install deps in whichever you want, but not sure how containerizing setup makes it bloat and/or unnecessary.

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by 29athrowaway »

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #93
29athrowaway wrote: post #79

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It's hard to do a benchmark, as you have many variables. - what kernel you used + which settings - what CPU model you used? what security mitigations were enabled? - GPU model, GPU driver version, GPU driver configuration settings - what wine version you used (e.g.: wine stable, staging, devel? proton? glorious eggroll? custom?) - what wine settings you used: overrides, Windows version, installed libraries, etc. - di…

Variables don't make benchmarking any more difficult. You should always record the variables.

On Windows, your specs will make most of the difference in benchmarks.

When running on wine, we could say that how you are running a game can have as much on performance impact as your specs.

Identifying the differences between setups is hard.

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by coconut08 »

Animats wrote: post #98
coconut08 wrote: post #72

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no it isn't.

It's basically a thing to load up Wine with the DLLs and tweaks for a specific program, right? That's what Winetricks does.

they do not use winetricks. they built their own system for installing dependencies and managing prefixes. you are right that it fills the same role, but that's not what you asked. it also does a lot more than just the things that winetricks does.

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by mhitza »

Animats wrote: post #98
coconut08 wrote: post #72

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no it isn't.

It's basically a thing to load up Wine with the DLLs and tweaks for a specific program, right? That's what Winetricks does.

Haven't used winetricks in what feels like 10+ years, but as I recall it only dealt with a single wine prefix (~/.wine most likely). Bottles are namespaced prefixes (usually one for each application installed this way).

I don't know in practice how much that is needed in wine in order to avoid one "trick" interfering with another "trick" for another app. However, makes it easier to remove the extra cruft of uninstalled applications (like the dozen variants of the .net runtime, or whatever else it was that you had to install ad-nauseum in the past for some windows apps/games).

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by jaimex2 »

Between Steam and Heroic Launcher ( Epic and GOG client) I've been having a really good gaming experience on Linux. Things just work and the UIs are really polished.

This looks great too.

Get the FlatPak version of Heroic Launcher as it does a lot of tricks out of the box, like letting you be seen as online by friends to be added directly to games, cloud save and dealing with DRM

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by auditor_3d »

tohnjitor wrote: post #95

Can it run any Autodesk software?

I can't find anything that does. It's like they intentionally wrote their software so that it can't work with anything. I wish they would just give us a proper linux release. makes me sad.

Lutris tries but it still can't handle it.

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