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So long “prompt engineering,” we hardly knew ya

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Re: So long “prompt engineering,” we hardly knew ya

#31

So, the new thing is that we're going to call everyone an engineer? Carpenter -> Wood engineer Tailor -> Fabric engineer Ceramist -> Clay engineer See how dumb it looks? And maybe the field is too new to have a specific word for it, but calling it "engineer" diminishes the level of actual engineers.

The etymology is more from “social engineering,” particularly if you model talking to a chatbot as a chat.

Re: So long “prompt engineering,” we hardly knew ya

#32

So, the new thing is that we're going to call everyone an engineer? Carpenter -> Wood engineer Tailor -> Fabric engineer Ceramist -> Clay engineer See how dumb it looks? And maybe the field is too new to have a specific word for it, but calling it "engineer" diminishes the level of actual engineers.

This is the wrong direction.

Go this way, instead:

Engine-maker Road-maker Trend-maker Fabric-maker Clay-maner Wood-maker Makeup-maker Book-maker Law-maker

Each school of making shall also have ranks: Vice Chief of Book-making, Novice Fabric-maker, Treasurer of Makeup-making et cetera

Re: So long “prompt engineering,” we hardly knew ya

#33
post #23

So, the new thing is that we're going to call everyone an engineer? Carpenter -> Wood engineer Tailor -> Fabric engineer Ceramist -> Clay engineer See how dumb it looks? And maybe the field is too new to have a specific word for it, but calling it "engineer" diminishes the level of actual engineers.

Calling carpenters wood engineers is pretty much warranted. There should be no engineering police that determines which jobs are allowed to carry the prestigious engineer title. Software engineering was also ridiculed for the longest time by “real” mechanical engineers.

As a former mechanical engineer I’m not sure how common that was. Computer Scientist was/is a common alternative but that’s somewhat of an artifact of CS often being associated with math departments.

Re: So long “prompt engineering,” we hardly knew ya

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post #25

Am i the only one that tried using gpt4 for serious development work but stopped pretty fast because of its obvious limitations ? Reading that article makes me wonder if we're even talking about the same thing.

I use it all the time. What kind of problems are facing?

Re: So long “prompt engineering,” we hardly knew ya

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The culture war surrounding prompt engineering is so dumb. My eyes roll hard into the back of my head every time I read a comment like this. Prompt engineering is not the same as programming. In some regards, it is “better”. In other regards, it is “worse”. They’re two different yet similar disciplines, each with their own strengths and weaknesses, but both equally legitimate. Programming is simply the skill of being…

Working on new LLM model is like doing genetic engineering trying to come up with a new animal species. Prompt engineering is like feeding said animal and shoveling its manure.

Which one of those folks do I pay for the hamburgers I’m having tonight?

Re: So long “prompt engineering,” we hardly knew ya

#37
post #25

Am i the only one that tried using gpt4 for serious development work but stopped pretty fast because of its obvious limitations ? Reading that article makes me wonder if we're even talking about the same thing.

You are not the only one, but also your experience is not the only experience with the tool.

I have used several of 'the big' SaaS GPTs, and have gotten great use from them.

There is absolutely a use for these tools, but they do take some small amount of skill to get good results.

It all comes down to the context you can provide to steer the answer to what you really need. The better you can describe your current state and what you want from the answer, the better the answer will be.

Re: So long “prompt engineering,” we hardly knew ya

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post #4

i feel like people that get really into prompt engineering seem to forget that other people are working on building models that are even better . Do they really think that the tricks they developed to make gpt3.5 work well will still be necessary on gpt9 (or whatever new model replaces gpt)? if you want a long-lasting career in AI you need to work on the actual AI stuff, not just using the AI stuff.

"if you want a long-lasting career in AI you need to work on the actual AI stuff, not just using the AI stuff." I think this is more for people, though, that want to maximize the use of AI in their own field, isn't it? The "knowledge worker enhancer"? I am not sure they really need to work on the actual AI stuff...

It felt like a mix to me. People seeking to enhance their work and the low effort high reward seeking hustle bros.

The latter latches on to the surface level of any new tech but proceeds with swagger befitting a Nobel laureate.

Re: So long “prompt engineering,” we hardly knew ya

#39
post #4

i feel like people that get really into prompt engineering seem to forget that other people are working on building models that are even better . Do they really think that the tricks they developed to make gpt3.5 work well will still be necessary on gpt9 (or whatever new model replaces gpt)? if you want a long-lasting career in AI you need to work on the actual AI stuff, not just using the AI stuff.

I'm not so sure - while I agree, prompt engineering will go away, there's probably a huge market for pre-built integrations in every sector. Bind this AI platform to this industry specific tooling in a polished way, etc.

Re: So long “prompt engineering,” we hardly knew ya

#40

So, the new thing is that we're going to call everyone an engineer? Carpenter -> Wood engineer Tailor -> Fabric engineer Ceramist -> Clay engineer See how dumb it looks? And maybe the field is too new to have a specific word for it, but calling it "engineer" diminishes the level of actual engineers.

The etymology is more from “social engineering,” particularly if you model talking to a chatbot as a chat.

(Unintentionally?) ironic, given that "entomology" is the study of bugs...
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