Live data from Hacker News

What gets to the front page of Hacker News?

randomshit.dev

11–20 of 52 posts

Re: What gets to the front page of Hacker News?

#11
> On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.

> And of those product announcements that made the FP, a good deal of them are (a) from established companies and products like Apple,

I've often observed this and found these two at odds. HN often turns into a promotional mouthpiece with pieces that are distinctly incurious.

Re: What gets to the front page of Hacker News?

#12
My anecdotal experience agrees that blog posts with promotions are better than "here's my product" , on average. Though you can just do both.

I've front paged Hacker News a few times and I've recently had a lot of success promoting a product on Reddit.

Often times I see boostrappers hype up Twitter as a marketing channel and lament that Reddit / Hacker News is impossible since it's a lottery to get upvotes, mods take stuff down, and users are hostile to promotion. While there's some truth to that, I think these people don't "get" these upvote platforms.

If you drive-by and drop off a link to a product, it'll probably get lost. If you write something really interesting then leave a promotional message at the end, it'll probably work fine. On sites like Reddit specifically, it's better to put more content in the post rather than link out (sucks for your site's SEO but much more likely to get upvoted).

There's definitely some luck to Hacker News but cream also does tend to rise to the top and you're allowed to re-submit.

It's annoying that there's a subset of HN and Reddit that think that anyone trying to make a dime on the internet is somehow sub-human, but they are a minority . I followed my strategy with a a Reddit post recently and the person complaining about my promotion of a paid product at the end got 13 downvotes ( https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comments/13wt05l/lsg_hanks_ri... ) . Because people liked the content so will forgive a promotion if there's some value add.

Ultimately people value being entertained and value learning useful information. So if you can do one of those two things, they will probably forgive a product shoutout.

Funny thing is I really struggle with Twitter and have the "tweeting into a void" problem but Reddit / HN seem to come more naturally to me. Though I'm guessing the secret is another variation of "be more entertaining or more informative".

But you can also try different stuff, you can do a Show HN and a blog post.

There's one last really important thing I don't see mention on Max Woolf's Hacker News undocumented. If you submit your own blog too many times without enough upvotes, you will get auto-flagged. So make sure you submit some random other stuff you find interesting to please the algorithm gods. But that goes back to "act like a regular member of the community and the community will forgive some self-promotion".

Re: What gets to the front page of Hacker News?

#13
Interesting. But I believe you're be wrong about Show HN (as others have pointed out).

Show HN makes for an effective way to get to the front page, based on three reasons:

1. You don't need that many votes to make it to the front page, and the votes don't need to happen in the first minutes after you've posted.

2. Many people use shownew[1] in addition to newest[2] to discover content on HN.

3. Show HN posts remain visible for a longer time on shownew compared to regular posts on newest.

When you post using Show HN, your post stays for a long time in shownew (right now the last one there was posted 19 hours ago), while on newest your post has to gather votes very quickly to make it to the front page (the last post visible there is from ~50 minutes ago). So Show HN gives you a higher chance of getting your post "discovered".

In my case, I've made it to the front page 4 times out of 21 posts. 3 of those were Show HN posts.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/shownew

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/newest

Re: What gets to the front page of Hacker News?

#14
This article breaks it down by category. But that doesn't really say much. Its about content.

For example a blog post by Linus Torvalds has a better chance than a blog post by me. (I don't think he has a blog - but we've see some salty commit messages etc by him).

Similarly, if its an academic paper titled "P = NP proven" it will probably shoot to the font page.

Companies that just want their stuff to be on the front page need to make more interesting stuff.

Re: What gets to the front page of Hacker News?

#15

This is a good rundown but misses the biggest thing, random chance . Depending on time of day the your post will stay on page one of "new" for between 20-40 minutes. It needs about 4-6 upvotes in that time to drop onto the bottom of the homepage, and then with that a chance of more eyeballs. Some people skim page two and look for thing with a couple of votes for closer inspection, but the reality is you have that bri…

Wow, while I knew about the pool, I didn't know there was a page that actually showed it.

Re: What gets to the front page of Hacker News?

#18
post #10

> ShowHN posts almost never make the front page ( Based on other details of analysis, I believe this means 2% of front pages posts are ShowHN. Not that 98% of ShowHN posts fail to reach front page. But the author doubles down on this confusion with flawed methodology: > Second, and perhaps more importantly, the dataset doesn’t record the attempts made to get to the front page, i.e. all posts on Hacker News in a given…

For curiosity's sake I wanted to estimate the probability of getting to the front page with a show hn. The easy but terrible way is to just look at a few new show hn from yesterday and look at how many got more than 50 points. The answer ~4% (3/79). Please expect gigantic error bars. Links checked: 2/30 from https://news.ycombinator.com/shownew?next=36572237&n=61 1/30 from https://news.ycombinator.com/shownew?next=36…

#3 currently has 25 points, #8 has 14, and #12 has 9 points. Not sure that 50 points is a good measure of whether it has been on the front page.

What does that mean anyway, does being on #25 for three minutes count?

Re: What gets to the front page of Hacker News?

#19
post #12

My anecdotal experience agrees that blog posts with promotions are better than "here's my product" , on average. Though you can just do both. I've front paged Hacker News a few times and I've recently had a lot of success promoting a product on Reddit. Often times I see boostrappers hype up Twitter as a marketing channel and lament that Reddit / Hacker News is impossible since it's a lottery to get upvotes, mods take…

Or better still be a regular member of the community. Nothing raises my hackles like something posted and commented on by a group who have hardly a karma point between them.

Re: What gets to the front page of Hacker News?

#20

This is a good rundown but misses the biggest thing, random chance . Depending on time of day the your post will stay on page one of "new" for between 20-40 minutes. It needs about 4-6 upvotes in that time to drop onto the bottom of the homepage, and then with that a chance of more eyeballs. Some people skim page two and look for thing with a couple of votes for closer inspection, but the reality is you have that bri…

The second chance pool is a pretty good example of just how mercilessly random getting on the front page is. Lots of cool and interesting stuff just slips by and gets drowned out the first time it's submitted.
Post reply on HN