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Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Since this law was adopted, there's been an increase in full building graffiti, which is not banned. Now 10 years later, it is more likely to see one of these nowadays than an empty outdoor frame Nearly all of these look like murals, not graffiti (these are distinct forms of street art). Regardless, those photos are beautiful and I'd love to have those instead of billboards in my city.

Are building murals not associated with ghettos outside the US? Where I live you know if you start seeing big faces on walls you're in the bad part of town and need to be careful.

In Montreal they are celebrated: we have a mural festival!

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Since this law was adopted, there's been an increase in full building graffiti, which is not banned. Now 10 years later, it is more likely to see one of these nowadays than an empty outdoor frame Nearly all of these look like murals, not graffiti (these are distinct forms of street art). Regardless, those photos are beautiful and I'd love to have those instead of billboards in my city.

Are building murals not associated with ghettos outside the US? Where I live you know if you start seeing big faces on walls you're in the bad part of town and need to be careful.

Where I live in the United States we have many on the sides of buildings, definitely not associated with "ghettos" here.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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post #15
post #9

> Seven years on, the world's fourth-largest metropolis and South America’s most important city remains free of visual clutter and eye sore that plagues the majority of cities around the world. Unfortunately it suffers greatly - to a ridiculous level, in some places - from that ugliest kind of grafitti, convoluted "tags" made in single-stroke black ink I'm not sure if that is the case everywhere but in Brazil people…

pixo é arte

Western modern culture has this nihilistic stroke of loving everything that is ugly and decadent.

For some unknown reasons, a certain segment of the petit bourgeoisie became convinced that is some sort of being highly sophisticated and cultured to pretend to love this kind of garbage.

And the funniest thing is that the conservative right calls this "cultural-marxism", when it is obvious to everyone who has ever read Marx seriously that he would probably abhor this kind of stuff.

Living in the late stages of capitalism is funny like that.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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As an individual, I'd welcome no advertisements everywhere. I think ads were abused long enough. It's just a leech on the human life.

I don't see how money spent on advertising billboards improves anyone's lives. The money is just going to leave owners. At least with media the advertising dollars are funding media creators.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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As an individual, I'd welcome no advertisements everywhere. I think ads were abused long enough. It's just a leech on the human life.

That's considered a radical stance, but I +1. Ads should just be banned anywhere in general. They concentrate power to those who already have it, because you can make more ads if you have more money. The local burger joint cannot compete against macdonals on advertising, the local soda against coca cola. It's ugly, eat attention, and interrupt. It creates business models with terrible incentives, which leads to censo…

> That’s considered a radical stance

I don’t think so. I think business wants us to feel that way, while the average person would choose to not hear/watch/see ads given the choice. I’m not necessarily against advertising, and regardless it’s a fact that advertising drives our economy and as a whole we generally don’t know how to create and conduct business without advertising. But I am against the notion that not wanting ads is a radical stance. I think we do need to prevent that notion from being normalized. Business doesn’t get to expect me to watch ads or make me feel guilty or like a freak for not wanting them. They have to work for it.

I say this as someone who has run a business and had to do advertising, and as someone who has never worked for a company or organization that doesn’t advertise.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Since this law was adopted, there's been an increase in full building graffiti, which is not banned. Now 10 years later, it is more likely to see one of these nowadays than an empty outdoor frame Nearly all of these look like murals, not graffiti (these are distinct forms of street art). Regardless, those photos are beautiful and I'd love to have those instead of billboards in my city.

> these are distinct forms of street art Can you elaborate on this? I've always thought a mural was just a type of graffiti?

> Can you elaborate on this? I've always thought a mural was just a type of graffiti?

According to Wikipedia it’s the opposite: a graffiti is a type of mural [1]. However at least in French and in Italian a graffiti is an inscription on a wall, often done as vandalism, while a mural(e) is more like a fresco which often takes the full wall.

As a French, for me this [2] is a mural and this [3] is a graffiti.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mural

[2]: https://www.parisenigmes.com/PICTURE/street-art-paris13.webp

[3]: https://cloudfront-eu-central-1.images.arcpublishing.com/lep...

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

#137
post #40

Interesting from someone that leaves in SP for 2 years and just spend about 40 days in Berlin and 21 in NY last year, this doesn’t seem to resonate as such a big difference. Berlin almost doesn’t have any billboards and NY I didn’t saw it bothered me, at least in Brooklyn. Curious on how SP was in the past. Unfortunately the city has way worst problems then billboards.

I worked in São Paulo before and after this law was enacted. The difference was honestly massive, there used to be billboards plastered all over the city: across any walls or free space around major avenues (imagine the whole perimeter of Congonhas airport with Av. dos Bandeirantes covered by giant billboards floating over the walls), on the visible sides of tall buildings towards major streets, there were billboards…

They were dangerous too. Huge and bright moving ads on the side of high speed highways. I don't know if any accident was ever caused by them, but they were really begging for it.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are building murals not associated with ghettos outside the US? Where I live you know if you start seeing big faces on walls you're in the bad part of town and need to be careful.

Not in Chicago. The murals throughout the city are beautiful and are very welcome art installations. https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/depts/dca/supp_info/mural_re...

Most of those look quite a bit nicer than ours. I especially like the "lucky wall" one.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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post #37

Some additions: Stores also cannot use their full façade for advertising. Branding colors and details are OK, but logos cannot be too large (don't know the exact rule). The law is picky. Some stores cheat by having a glass façade, and using LEDs inside that glass. Like this: https://imgur.com/a/CLdUD1C Since this law was adopted, there's been an increase in full building graffiti, which is not banned. Now 10 years la…

Those full building works are awesome. I question whether the lack of billboards is truly related to the rise of these murals. They are on MASSIVE canvases that surely were not previously covered in totality by an ad. If this rise in these works is a response/reaction to the lack of color, then the quote in the article that “Advertising is both an art form and, when you're in your car or alone on foot, a form of ente…

Ah, many of those builing façades that are now murals were in fact painted ads some 70 years ago.

https://g1.globo.com/sp/sao-paulo/noticia/2018/09/15/anuncio...

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