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> Privacy is already brocken, no options. And thus you question every attempt to fix it?
Yes, We need anaytics for our website. even for ranking on search engine. There is no other option. GA, GTM, GSC are the top tools we have to use. If you are a business website owner
I had expected such orders after GDPR went into effect. I guess I was young and naive back then...
Who needs analytics? I'm confused. When I worked at companies using google analytics, 99.9% of the time they could have gotten this data from server logs with something like awstats or goaccess. To this day, I still don't get what's the point of embedding some javascript to do extra-requests or a tracking pixel, when the data was already given once.
Additionally, a common argument is that the server side logs contain a lot of logs from bots/crawlers and GA (and alike) can filter them. The other side of the coin is that GA (and alike) are not able to track users with Adblockers.
EDIT: not sure why I'm downvoted - the OP asked for some reasons why people use client side tracking and I listed them. I didn't say that I support these practices, but maybe I should have made that explicit to comply with the overall sentiment of this site.
My sister-in-law (girlfriends brothers girlfriend, not that it matters) recently studied for a data analytics certification. Actually several. The entire course (located on here: https://medieinstitutet.se ) is based on Google Analytics. Now her entire value is tied to the use of Google Analytics, she will almost certainly fight very hard to ensure that these skills remain relevant, nobody would want to retrain for 6…
what you wrote is mostly true but also partially incorrect: many competencies are transferrable. there are privacy-compliant products in that sense, unless you've been literally told "click here and click there" you should be able to employ old concepts with new tools.
> Personally I find this astonishingly foolish of the people who train exclusively on these tools instead of first principles and primitives.
I wouldn't be surprised for this to be a "click here and click here" kind of training. I've seen a painful amount of those. And then, when the inevitable "new and improved ui" comes along, these people are lost and require a new training.
My sister-in-law (girlfriends brothers girlfriend, not that it matters) recently studied for a data analytics certification. Actually several. The entire course (located on here: https://medieinstitutet.se ) is based on Google Analytics. Now her entire value is tied to the use of Google Analytics, she will almost certainly fight very hard to ensure that these skills remain relevant, nobody would want to retrain for 6…
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The result is the balkanization of the internet, although most folks in the EU want that for nationalistic reasons and to prop up their own industries, under a thin veneer of opposing US imperialism (but being unable to do anything with respect to the things which actually threaten the EU, such as an over dependence on Russia.)
> although most folks in the EU want that for nationalistic reasons and to prop up their own industries Sources for this extraordinary claim, please. As an EU citizen I'm interested in the EU protecting my privacy, not for nationalistic reasons, not to prop up EU's industries. I care that my data isn't willy-nilly given away under some opaque mechanisms controlled by large corporations, because as many here on HN lik…
I am so grateful for the progressive policies in Europe that help the entire globe.
This case is about the old Analytics that was replaced with Google Analytics 4 in 2020. So they must stop using a version that Google definitely killed July 1 this year. There are arguments that GA4 would fail the same requirements. Denmark hold that view but it hasn't been tried. Their argument is that a EU-citizen that goes to Asia and visits a site there, will have his information sent to US servers and not EU ser…
No need for travels - all you need is to use a VPN/proxy/tor. IP geolocation is not a reliable proxy for physical location (let alone residency - while citizenship doesn't enter the equation at all). I don't find it problematic that the law recognizes this.
On the one hand, I kinda agree with DK, on the other hand that would bring on the fears of US-liberal HNers who lose all their freedom to sell user data.
What I am curios about is how much people actually use ALL the analytics information provided by a lot of these tools. I know Matomo and other such open source/self-hostable solutions, but how much info do you really use? I think for most use cases users would want to know if their content is consumed/read. Maybe how long someone spends on it and where they came from. For this sort of stuff you can write a small scri…
I've finally come to the conclusion that user tracking is generally a poor practices and should be regulated. As a web developer, I didn't see it as a big problem. We always do it to maximize ad revenue, find out where users leave to increase conversion rate, and simply to improve UX. But even when the intent is to improve UX, tracking is inappripriate. Imagine if a robot vacuum recorded videos of your home and uploa…
Advertising is the big gotcha here. What I think we need is for more and more companies to own their advertising rather than farming it out to third parties. We'd get better advertising AND it would be less intrusive.
If you have to set up your own server (or at least your own subdomain that points to a GA server IP) then it's more likely to go wrong. I'm sure it'll happen, though.