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Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by alpaca128 »

wlesieutre wrote: post #116
diziet wrote: post #105

I think there are three groups of people with opinions regarding 120Hz vs 60Hz refresh rate. Group 1 can tell the difference between the two and strongly prefers 120Hz. Group 2 can't tell the difference between the two and prefers the more affordable options. Group 3 has not done a lot of comparisons between the two refresh rates, or has used 120Hz displays that were actually in 60Hz mode, or compared lower resolutio…

If anyone is on a high refresh rate screen and wants to see the difference side by side, https://testufo.com is a nice comparison. In most browsers it will go up to whatever refresh rate your monitor runs at, including 144 or 165 hz, probably 240 but I've never owned one of those. I have a hard time believing that anyone with functional eyesight wouldn't be able to see the difference between 60 and 120, but I can def…

I switched from 60Hz to 240Hz on my desktop. The difference in smoothness is immediately noticeable, but I realized I don't really care. When I don't look for it I can switch from 240Hz screen to my laptop and not notice anything. Both run smooth enough for a good user experience.

So I personally would always prioritize a good pixel density unless one plays a lot of games that require low input latency.

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Post by bobdvb »

jonhohle wrote: post #300
creato wrote: post #206

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This doesn’t make any sense. Why would you want to use 3:2 pulldown unless your display is interlaced, which AFAIK will never be the case for any modern display? And even if you did use it, it doesn’t do anything to help with the extra 1000/1001 factor, so what is the point?

3:2 pull-down works for converting 24fps to 60fps. It doesn’t matter if the target f is fields or frames.

The film industry should stop using 24fps, it's a waste of people's time and energy. At least they should move to 25fps which is what most of the world uses as a frame rate, if not 30fps.

For the stupid North American non-integer frame rates, just change the playback speed by a fraction and get on with life. Or drop 1000/1001 frames for live, people won't notice.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by dewey »

steveBK123 wrote: post #234
dewey wrote: post #76

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What's the issue with Dell monitors? I'm still using my Dell P2715Q (4k) from > 5 years ago every day and the only reason that would make me switch is that it doesn't support the latest HDMI connections any more.

Customer service / warranty is a joke. They'd rather spend hours slow walking an RMA, hoping you give up, rather than actually dealing with the problem.

I guess that might be very region specific. I once had to RMA one for a firmware update and it was very painless and quick in the EU.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by trabant00 »

hilbert42 wrote: post #298

"Is a matte screen the better option compared to the 8K monitor’s glossy finish? Surprisingly, I found that I don’t like the matte screen better! It’s hard to describe, but somehow the picture seems more “dull”, or less bright (independent of the actual brightness of the monitor), or more toned down. The colors don’t pop as much." A useful post. Whilst I've not yet had the luxury of owning a 6k or 8k monitor his comm…

I always buy glossy TVs and matted monitors. The TV is only used for movies and I close all the blinds for the full cinematic experience. But I don't want to work in a dark office, it does not feel good and I don't think it's healthy either. Sure, glossy looks a lot better and the reason is simple: opacity. The anti reflection treatment is not 100% transparent. But glossy is unusable in a healthily lighted room.

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Post by teruakohatu »

p1necone wrote: post #262
foldor wrote: post #237

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Why not 1440p with integer 2x scaling?

It's very uncommon to find a monitor or TV that actually does non filtered integer scaling, most apply a blurry bilinear scale that looks awful. And afaik there are no external HDMI pixel doublers on the market, I would buy one in a heartbeat. Native 720p does look slightly better than integer scaling to 2x because of subpixel stuff, and generally liking that LCD look. But integer scaling would be enough really.

> And afaik there are no external HDMI pixel doublers on the market, I would buy one in a heartbeat.

Sounds like a fun project, you should build one.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by alpaca128 »

tintedfireglass wrote: post #247
diziet wrote: post #105

I think there are three groups of people with opinions regarding 120Hz vs 60Hz refresh rate. Group 1 can tell the difference between the two and strongly prefers 120Hz. Group 2 can't tell the difference between the two and prefers the more affordable options. Group 3 has not done a lot of comparisons between the two refresh rates, or has used 120Hz displays that were actually in 60Hz mode, or compared lower resolutio…

I own 60hz, 90hz and 120hz displays and honestly can't find the difference between them. Everyone loves higher refresh rates but I can't feel ANY difference between them and they all feel the same. But I can see the difference when a game is at 60fps and 120fps on all of them. Not sure why

> But I can see the difference when a game is at 60fps and 120fps on all of them. Not sure why

Because twice the refresh rate means half the latency. And in games like shooters any mouse movement causes the entire screen to change, which makes lower latency very noticeable compared to just a moving cursor on the desktop. This is why VR feels really bad on low framerates, the latency between head movements and screen updates is too long.

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Post by LeafItAlone »

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #85

I just purchased 2 of the 6Ks and I am keeping both. AMA. I do not understand the complaints about pixel density. The display is 223 ppi, which is the same or slightly higher than Apple displays. I am using them in a dual display configuration with an M1 Macbook Pro via TB4 and a Windows PC with an RTX 4090 via DisplayPort. The KVM feature makes switching back and forth a breeze. I am using 175% scaling (in Windows)…

Thanks for providing all of that information. Maybe I missed you answering this:

What do you do with the monitors? Do you work with images, videos, code, etc.?

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Post by frozenport »

jwells89 wrote: post #119

I also bought one of these, but ended up returning it. The technical aspects of this review are interesting, especially the wide range of machines tested. I finished writing a review of my own[0] a few days ago, which is less technical but goes into some other aspects of the monitor. [0]: https://www.wells.dev/dell-ultrasharp-u3224kb-squandered-pot...

Expected apothesis but got a computer monitor. Its not clear what the alternative monitor would be.

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Post by xps »

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #271
alanbernstein wrote: post #248

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Can you elaborate on the kvm/switching feature? My current monitor is awful for that, I really just want a dedicated "cycle input" button. Or ideally, an N-position slider switch, but I can't imagine anyone would ever build such a thing.

The built-in kvm feature is very basic and I don't even setup the keyboard shortcuts because that requires software to be installed on the computers. Basically it just lets me switch between computers with 2 quick button presses on each monitor. I use an additional usb 3.0 switch from CableMatters so my peripherals can be switched between each display incase I want to have both computers up side by side. If you only…

Does this KVM work with a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse? Do you have to reconnect the devices every time you switch?

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Post by p1necone »

teruakohatu wrote: post #345
p1necone wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very uncommon to find a monitor or TV that actually does non filtered integer scaling, most apply a blurry bilinear scale that looks awful. And afaik there are no external HDMI pixel doublers on the market, I would buy one in a heartbeat. Native 720p does look slightly better than integer scaling to 2x because of subpixel stuff, and generally liking that LCD look. But integer scaling would be enough really.

> And afaik there are no external HDMI pixel doublers on the market, I would buy one in a heartbeat. Sounds like a fun project, you should build one.

I did look into it a little bit, I think the reason none exist is because it's actually pretty difficult.

Taking in a 720p hdmi signal and pixel doubling to 1440p or tripling to 4k and outputting that as a valid HDMI signal without adding more than a frame or two of lag would require custom chips. Although maybe a software solution involving a gpu might be possible?

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