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We are wasting up to 20% of our time on computer problems, says study

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Re: We are wasting up to 20% of our time on computer problems, says study

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Isn't that what OOP is? Methods contain code, objects contain code and data, and invocations of code are primarily in reference to data.

I'd say the opposite - OOP is the paradigm that does the most to hide your data, hiding it within these encapsulated actors where you can't access it directly or even see what and where you have.

I would have thought that encapsulation hides the way data is processed, stored, and moved around. But the data itself is always available in my experience.

Re: We are wasting up to 20% of our time on computer problems, says study

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I'd say the opposite - OOP is the paradigm that does the most to hide your data, hiding it within these encapsulated actors where you can't access it directly or even see what and where you have.

I would have thought that encapsulation hides the way data is processed, stored, and moved around. But the data itself is always available in my experience.

Suppose the data is in a private field of an object deep in the object graph. How do you get it? You can't, by design - that object's public interface may expose some aspects of the data, but you're not meant to access the actual raw data.

Re: We are wasting up to 20% of our time on computer problems, says study

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It will be interesting to see. People are already involved in business-critical processes, and they have a far-from-100% success rate. You can see this with self-driving cars; 0.00001% of the time, they decide to swerve into oncoming traffic for no reason. But they can't get drunk! So whether or not that's a win is something that only time can tell. (People will be outraged, because no person would ever do what the A…

> People will be outraged, because no person would ever do what the AI did, but _what matters are the numbers in aggregate._ That is an opinion, not objective fact. If Grandma June accidentally hits the accelerator, jumps the curb and kills a kindergartener, we can throw her in prison. She is held accountable for her actions. https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/01/25/Woman-83-gets-3-y... If Grandma June is sitting i…

This is really not the dilemma it is often portrayed as. You can extend this problem to any instance where a man-made inanimate object kills someone, which we have centuries of precedent for. If a bridge collapses and crushes a schoolbus full of children it's not like we throw our hands up in confusion - there is a very developed legal process that will determine the whos and whats of accountability and punishment.

It isn't a new problem, it's something that every court handles on a daily basis. Rebar or autoregression, the core legal elements are the same.

Re: We are wasting up to 20% of our time on computer problems, says study

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The question in my opinion is not really about specs — no matter how much you spend on your hardware, you can't, pardon my French, take the shitbox out of Windows. Device manager and registry still being a thing, reboots to install software, ads in the start menu, etc are a good example of how Windows is not a system for human users. It's amazing how much backwards compatibility they've offered over the decades, yes,…

How often do you have to touch the device manager? Registry is fine. It's not a very big fraction of software that needs a reboot. It's much more common to have an OS update need one, and that's pretty universal across desktop OSes. The ads are bad. Though interestingly those are relatively new , not baggage.

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Re: We are wasting up to 20% of our time on computer problems, says study

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Who exactly sells Windows machines with good hardware?

You can get ok hardware for a reasonable price. My LG 'gram' seems fine. $800, very lightweight. Came with Windows home. Upgraded to pro for $6. If you want 'good' some of the Alienware laptops will be more beefy. Or the $5000 desktop PC I got off Newegg had top of the line specs and came with Windows.. Not sure what you're talking about really. You can get crap, medium or best with Windows.

I have an Alienware Ryzen 9 machine. I'm not at all impressed. I only have it for games. The Intel 4790k machine that I built around 2015 with Windows 10 is more responsive. I'm not convinced that any hardware runs Windows 11 well.

Re: We are wasting up to 20% of our time on computer problems, says study

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This is such an excellent way of concisely expressing a major fallacy I see whenever I talk about AI/modeling/etc. (I.e. “it isn’t racist it’s just numbers” and other nonsensical takes). I’m borrowing this language for the future.

Meanwhile, human judges, juries, parole boards, etc are racist as hell and have no update algorithm...

and we have had racism algorithm in legal services.

Re: We are wasting up to 20% of our time on computer problems, says study

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You can get ok hardware for a reasonable price. My LG 'gram' seems fine. $800, very lightweight. Came with Windows home. Upgraded to pro for $6. If you want 'good' some of the Alienware laptops will be more beefy. Or the $5000 desktop PC I got off Newegg had top of the line specs and came with Windows.. Not sure what you're talking about really. You can get crap, medium or best with Windows.

I have an Alienware Ryzen 9 machine. I'm not at all impressed. I only have it for games. The Intel 4790k machine that I built around 2015 with Windows 10 is more responsive. I'm not convinced that any hardware runs Windows 11 well.

my 12600k+3080 has no issues with windows 11

Re: We are wasting up to 20% of our time on computer problems, says study

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I’d be very upset if my dishwasher broke every 5th time I used it. And in that scenario I’d much rather wash the dishes by hand. Probably the same for my clothes vs. the washer. If it takes 10 minutes to boot my computer, log into 10 SSOs with two factor, and install 57 updates, at what point do I start keeping graph paper and a desktop calculator to track my sales instead of using excel?

Would you be upset if the fix was just to restart the dishwasher and most of the time it would work again?

Only if it updates during the restart and loses half the cutlery in the process, while subtley reordering the rest.

Re: We are wasting up to 20% of our time on computer problems, says study

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No, it is dissimilar. Humans learn over time. Humans have social pressures. Humans have explanatory rather than merely predictive models about what they do. Deviations by humans from expected standard behavior often produce better rather than worse results. The list goes on.

The philosophical question is whether "social pressure" and "reward function" are the same thing.

For one person, at one point in time, sure, even though it'd be a quite complex one. But with an AI used by a thousand companies to replace one team member each, they're replacing a thousand of different "reward functions" with just one across all of them. A huge advantage of humanity is that we have different people, from different cultural and social backgrounds, all with social and personal norms and values that vary over time for each and every person, and telling an AI "imitate a pirate" or "answer without any biases" is not going to replace that.
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