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Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by 111111IIIIIII »

dylan604 wrote: post #235
111111IIIIIII wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> who in the world wants to use a 2:3 pulldown pattern on a progressive monitor? At least everyone tasked with editing 3:2 pulldown footage for 3:2 pulldown distribution, which is most of the video editors in North America the last time I checked.

Who wants 3:2 content for distribution? No streaming platform wants 3:2, and they all want the footage delivered as progressive scan. Some will say things like "native frame rate", but I find that a bit misleading. There are plenty of television shows shot on film at 24fps, telecined to 30000/1001 with 2:3 introduced, then place graphic content rendered at 30p. The term "do least harm" gets used so that taking this c…

Admittedly, I haven't worked as a video editor since 2011 and never edited telecined footage, but my understanding from friends is that little had changed. Specifically I have heard them complaining about it. That streaming platforms specifically want progressive scan makes plenty of sense to me of course, but conflicts with what I've heard for whatever reason.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by p1necone »

foldor wrote: post #237
p1necone wrote: post #226

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I've got the opposite request. I'd love a native 720p oled of a decent size for playing Switch (and PS3/360, I've got a bit of collection) games on. It's probably a niche market, but most games on the switch run natively at somewhere between 720 and 1080p and look awful scaled up to 4k.

Why not 1440p with integer 2x scaling?

It's very uncommon to find a monitor or TV that actually does non filtered integer scaling, most apply a blurry bilinear scale that looks awful. And afaik there are no external HDMI pixel doublers on the market, I would buy one in a heartbeat.

Native 720p does look slightly better than integer scaling to 2x because of subpixel stuff, and generally liking that LCD look. But integer scaling would be enough really.

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Post by spockz »

alanbernstein wrote: post #248
111111IIIIIII wrote: post #85

I just purchased 2 of the 6Ks and I am keeping both. AMA. I do not understand the complaints about pixel density. The display is 223 ppi, which is the same or slightly higher than Apple displays. I am using them in a dual display configuration with an M1 Macbook Pro via TB4 and a Windows PC with an RTX 4090 via DisplayPort. The KVM feature makes switching back and forth a breeze. I am using 175% scaling (in Windows)…

Can you elaborate on the kvm/switching feature? My current monitor is awful for that, I really just want a dedicated "cycle input" button. Or ideally, an N-position slider switch, but I can't imagine anyone would ever build such a thing.

We have ultrawides at the office that send usb to the source of video in auto mode but also has a button to override that and you press it to toggle between targets. Not sure about brand and model. Can check it when in the office.

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Post by 111111IIIIIII »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #240
111111IIIIIII wrote: post #85

I just purchased 2 of the 6Ks and I am keeping both. AMA. I do not understand the complaints about pixel density. The display is 223 ppi, which is the same or slightly higher than Apple displays. I am using them in a dual display configuration with an M1 Macbook Pro via TB4 and a Windows PC with an RTX 4090 via DisplayPort. The KVM feature makes switching back and forth a breeze. I am using 175% scaling (in Windows)…

There’s an app called Synergy that lets you seamlessly move mouse and keyboard input between devices, if you ever feel the need to run the Mac and the Windows machines side by side rather than using a KVM switch.

Have you tried that? How does it actually work? Does it not add lag?

I use a USB switch connected to both displays for my input devices so I can switch between screens/computers: https://a.co/d/ckNXGpt

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Post by whatever1 »

jwells89 wrote: post #259
whatever1 wrote: post #255

FYI in Macrumors [1] forum users found that when connected via thuderbolt 4 in Apple Silicon Macs, you dont get the full resolution, because MacOS does not enable DSC. In short you get max 6016 x 3384 instead of the native for the monitor 6144×3456. You have to either use the HDMI port from the Mac (if you have an M2 one) or use a usbc to HDMI converter which for some reason triggers the DSC. [1] https://forums.macru…

Slight correction, the monitor will run at full resolution (6144x3456), but with 24-bit color instead of 30-bit. To get 30-bit over Thunderbolt one has to run it at 6016x3384. So effectively, you get full PPI or full color but not both.

Thanks for the correction :D

The main issue is that users reported that text does not look very nice when the monitor runs in 24-bit color and full resolution, which is a bit concerning when considering the asking price.

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Post by FpUser »

zamadatix wrote: post #208
111111IIIIIII wrote: post #85

I just purchased 2 of the 6Ks and I am keeping both. AMA. I do not understand the complaints about pixel density. The display is 223 ppi, which is the same or slightly higher than Apple displays. I am using them in a dual display configuration with an M1 Macbook Pro via TB4 and a Windows PC with an RTX 4090 via DisplayPort. The KVM feature makes switching back and forth a breeze. I am using 175% scaling (in Windows)…

32" is an extremely common size for 4k at 100% scaling so I can see the desire for 8k using 200% scaling at the resolution. 225-250% would probably be more "proper" densities for such a display but many like to go a bit under standard scale.

What would be more proper in this case is to make it 64" display. Otherwise it is just a waste of resources. But one can not sit in front of 64" monitor at a normal viewing distance. I would guess except some very limited niches 8K PC monitor makes little sense

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Post by watersb »

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #160
LoganDark wrote: post #150

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> The display is 223 ppi, which is the same or slightly higher than Apple displays. For context, my MacBook from 2015 had a PPI of 220, so this comment is extremely accurate.

Also, the current Apple Studio Display and Apple XDR Pro Display are both 218 ppi.

218 ppi matches the native displays on current Macs.

The Dell 8k has 288 pixels per inch, which is 4x the detail of the original Mac.

Macintosh 128k was released with a 72 ppi display, so every pixel was the size of a "point", a unit used in more traditional, paper-based graphic design.

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Post by stock_toaster »

wkat4242 wrote: post #190
the_pwner224 wrote: post #179

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The point isn't to have more pixels, it's to have more detailed pixels. You use scaling to get whatever display size you want. 4k 27" with 2x scaling is effectively the same size as 1080p 27". But one looks like absolute crap, the other is reasonably sharp and detailed. Text is much better with higher PPI. And 4k27" is just 160 PPI, the 6k 32" monitors are 220 PPI so text is very crisp. I don't know about other OSs,…

Yeah I love my 4K 24" monitor but nobody seems to be making them anymore :'( especially at this price point ($250). It's the minimum DPI I'd consider HiDPI. Really worried about it breaking at some point. I wish I had bought two. 27" 4K just won't cut it. And I don't want a monitor that big anyway.

My Dell P2415Q is thankfull still kickin' (knock on wood).

I have had my eye on an LG[1] out there at 24" 4k (currently about 300usd) -- as that size/resolution has been the sweet spot for me for the last few years. I'm planning to pick one of these up and stick it in a closet just to have on hand in case the Dell dies on me.

[1]: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LPNKFK0

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by jwells89 »

whatever1 wrote: post #266
jwells89 wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slight correction, the monitor will run at full resolution (6144x3456), but with 24-bit color instead of 30-bit. To get 30-bit over Thunderbolt one has to run it at 6016x3384. So effectively, you get full PPI or full color but not both.

Thanks for the correction :D The main issue is that users reported that text does not look very nice when the monitor runs in 24-bit color and full resolution, which is a bit concerning when considering the asking price.

Fully agree, at that price the picture needs to be very close to perfect.
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