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Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by wkat4242 »

zone411 wrote: post #88
rektide wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been pretty amazing how stagnant the monitor space is. I too am really craving an 8k@120 monitor, although there's a decent chance I'll balk at the price.

I agree, but we got LG's 16:18 DualUp monitors a year ago. Having a 43'' monitor in the middle and these two on the sides creates a better setup than it was than what was previously possible.

That's basically what I do. 24" 4K in the middle and 2 17" eizos beside it. They're 1280x1024 though so I have 200% scaling in the middle and 100% at the sides. This causes some OS issues in FreeBSD (I mitigate with xrandr) and Windows which is still screwy to this day. On Mac it works perfectly but I don't use Mac much anymore.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by JohnBooty »

diziet wrote: post #105

I think there are three groups of people with opinions regarding 120Hz vs 60Hz refresh rate. Group 1 can tell the difference between the two and strongly prefers 120Hz. Group 2 can't tell the difference between the two and prefers the more affordable options. Group 3 has not done a lot of comparisons between the two refresh rates, or has used 120Hz displays that were actually in 60Hz mode, or compared lower resolutio…

I can easily tell the difference between 60hz and 120hz+, but it absolutely does not matter to me for web browsing and software development.

FWIW I do spend a lot of time with 120hz and 144hz displays.

For gaming it's awfully hard to go back to 60hz after tasting those high refresh rates. In fact, I've been saying that for 25 years. At the tail end of the CRT era a lot of higher-end CRTs could do like 90 or 100hz at 1280x1024. Most PC games couldn't push that many FPS even at lower resolutions but it really helped reduce flicker and eyestrain, even when staring at text in Windows.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by wkat4242 »

j45 wrote: post #123

I find a 2Kish (2560x1440or1600) resolution on a 24-27" Monitor to be the most usable for text. I understand things like fonts render smoother on a 4-6-8K monitor but it also draws more power usually to power all those pixels. The use of a Chroma 4:4:4 capable 4K tv is also often really helpful because one 4K screen at large enough size gives four 1920x1080 working surfaces. 4K seems to become useful at 38" Or so in…

In a Desktop or plugged in laptop, does the extra power really matter? I greatly prefer the sharper text and images.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by amatheus »

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #85

I just purchased 2 of the 6Ks and I am keeping both. AMA. I do not understand the complaints about pixel density. The display is 223 ppi, which is the same or slightly higher than Apple displays. I am using them in a dual display configuration with an M1 Macbook Pro via TB4 and a Windows PC with an RTX 4090 via DisplayPort. The KVM feature makes switching back and forth a breeze. I am using 175% scaling (in Windows)…

Would you mind elaborating on the cables and connections? Do you plug a DisplayPort and an usb cable from windows and get kvm working? The monitors are daisy chained?

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by FractalParadigm »

fomine3 wrote: post #175
diziet wrote: post #105

I think there are three groups of people with opinions regarding 120Hz vs 60Hz refresh rate. Group 1 can tell the difference between the two and strongly prefers 120Hz. Group 2 can't tell the difference between the two and prefers the more affordable options. Group 3 has not done a lot of comparisons between the two refresh rates, or has used 120Hz displays that were actually in 60Hz mode, or compared lower resolutio…

It's a bit complex in my case. For smartphone, 120Hz vs 60Hz OLED is night and day, especially for scrolling. Never leave from 120Hz+. For PC monitor, 120Hz vs 60Hz LCD is distinguishable but not much benefits. Maybe due to I use Windows and non-smooth scroll mouse. It's nice for gaming but needs $$ for GPU.

For gaming you need $$ for CPU as well. It's all fine and dandy if your GPU is capable of rendering/filling the ~1 gigapixel/s of 4K120, the trick is keeping it fed with enough data so it can render all those pixels.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by NavinF »

voldacar wrote: post #187
diziet wrote: post #105

I think there are three groups of people with opinions regarding 120Hz vs 60Hz refresh rate. Group 1 can tell the difference between the two and strongly prefers 120Hz. Group 2 can't tell the difference between the two and prefers the more affordable options. Group 3 has not done a lot of comparisons between the two refresh rates, or has used 120Hz displays that were actually in 60Hz mode, or compared lower resolutio…

I'm shocked that group 2 exists at all. Just wave your mouse around and watch the cursor. Or open up quake and turn around while keeping your eye focused on a stationary object.

Yep it's very obvious when moving the cursor in a circle since you can see every frame.

I'm sure group 2 exists. It's just that all its members have an undiagnosed vision disorder.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by [deleted] »

voldacar wrote: post #187
diziet wrote: post #105

I think there are three groups of people with opinions regarding 120Hz vs 60Hz refresh rate. Group 1 can tell the difference between the two and strongly prefers 120Hz. Group 2 can't tell the difference between the two and prefers the more affordable options. Group 3 has not done a lot of comparisons between the two refresh rates, or has used 120Hz displays that were actually in 60Hz mode, or compared lower resolutio…

I'm shocked that group 2 exists at all. Just wave your mouse around and watch the cursor. Or open up quake and turn around while keeping your eye focused on a stationary object.

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Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by [deleted] »

NavinF wrote: post #196
voldacar wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm shocked that group 2 exists at all. Just wave your mouse around and watch the cursor. Or open up quake and turn around while keeping your eye focused on a stationary object.

Yep it's very obvious when moving the cursor in a circle since you can see every frame. I'm sure group 2 exists. It's just that all its members have an undiagnosed vision disorder.

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Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by opdahl »

boyter wrote: post #114
diziet wrote: post #105

I think there are three groups of people with opinions regarding 120Hz vs 60Hz refresh rate. Group 1 can tell the difference between the two and strongly prefers 120Hz. Group 2 can't tell the difference between the two and prefers the more affordable options. Group 3 has not done a lot of comparisons between the two refresh rates, or has used 120Hz displays that were actually in 60Hz mode, or compared lower resolutio…

I thought I was in 2... till I actually got a 120Hz screen. Since I flip between my desktop at 120Hz and Macbook Air M1 at 60Hz frequently I discovered I really notice. Its always so much nicer when I leave the Air. Everything is so much smoother.

John Linneman from Digital Foundry made a great point about refresh rates (or framerates in his context). Lower refresh rates generally is perceived as way worse when you often switch around between high and low refresh rates. Case in point if you change from 60hz to 120hz and move your mouse etc. you will definitely feel that its way smoother, and 60hz would feel extremely sluggish. But if you just stuck with the 60hz for a while eventually you will perceive it as smooth again. They use the example of 30fps seemingly feeling very bad when you keep switching between Quality and Performance mode on console games, but 30fps is actually okay for many instances. Of course 60fps will feel smoother no matter what, but the point is is that the difference is heightened when you switch back and forth.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by rjh29 »

diziet wrote: post #105

I think there are three groups of people with opinions regarding 120Hz vs 60Hz refresh rate. Group 1 can tell the difference between the two and strongly prefers 120Hz. Group 2 can't tell the difference between the two and prefers the more affordable options. Group 3 has not done a lot of comparisons between the two refresh rates, or has used 120Hz displays that were actually in 60Hz mode, or compared lower resolutio…

I can tell the difference between 30 and 60fps and I just don't care. 60fps is smoother sure but I don't find it better in any objective sense, just different. My brain is quite capable of filling in the missing frames itself.

Maybe I have a "vision disorder" but since even modern PS5 games are increasingly going back to 30-40fps (preferring graphical quality over framerate) I think that is actually the majority position. High framerate lovers are the coffee snobs of the computer world.

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