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Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by fomine3 »

johnwalkr wrote: post #156
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s crazy how much of a regression there was in resolution and picture quality when we went from CRT to LCD displays. In the late 90’s you could get a CRT that did 2048x1536 no sweat with great color and decent refresh rate. Then suddenly LCD displays became the standard and they looked awful. Low resolutions, terrible colors and bad viewing angles. The only real advantage they had was size. It took a decade or so t…

It's still not reached a point where you can just choose high resolutions with no drawbacks. 2048x1536 19" (135ppi) at up to 72Hz was common at reasonable prices in the late 90s if my memory is correct. Although OS scaling sucked and text looked weird due to the shadow mask at that size. 1600x1200 (105ppi) was the sweet spot for me. And actually in my first job in 2004 I had two 20" 1600x1200 (100ppi) LCDs that I rec…

IBM T221 (2001, over 4K) was popped up from the future.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by glowingly »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #68
stalfosknight wrote: post #17

Why is it that pretty much all displays in the PC world have such dismal pixel densities (< 226 ppi)? It would be nice to be able to shop for a new desktop display without having to give up Retina in macOS.

Because people have switched to larger screens (32+ inch) that they place farther away, lowering the need for pixel density. I'm on a 4K 27" monitor. That's a PPI of 163. I don't feel it's dismal, and I sit relatively close to my monitor.

I have followed this approach as well. I use a larger display from further away. I did get a deeper desk to enable this in my current setup. Previously, I mounted my monitor on the wall and moved the desk out ~10" (~25cm).

Either way gives me a greater range of suitable monitors, and they are all cheaper than going for unicorn displays.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by veidr »

afterburner wrote: post #177
veidr wrote: post #170

Absolutely, hell no, if you are talking about the screen itself. The difference in crispness between the Dell UP321K (~280ppi at 7680x64280 at 31.5 inches) and this new U3224KBA (~220ppi at 6144 x 3456 at 32") is dramatic . The new Dell 6K is about the same as the Apple 6K (the XDR Pro Display). I had that 6K Apple and the 8K Dell side-by-side on my desk for a few months (until I could find a buyer for the dramatical…

Are you sure you're not just experiencing some other difference in manufacturing, like a difference in the matte finish?

That's a good question, but yes, I am very sure.

I have compared them with magnifying glasses, and really tried to get into why such a (seemingly, at first) small increase in resolution made such a huge difference.

I've compared standard 27" 4K, the LG and Apple 27" 5K ), the Apple 6K and the Dell 8K. It really is just a lot more pixels. The fuzz is definitely small, but there.

Another good test is open VS Code full screen, divide it up into panes, and make the text as small as you can read it. I mean really small. The text on the 6K just looks awful while the 8K still looks good.

Sometimes I do actually do this and put on my glasses (the text is too small for me to read without assistance, but it is still pretty crisp). It feels like a nerd superpower.

There are actually a bunch of us 8K superfans out here on the internet, but it's been a lonely party, because the Dell UP3218K seems to be still the only 8K computer monitor you can buy. (As in a roughly 32" desktop monitor, not a TV.)

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by squeaky-clean »

pxc wrote: post #154
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #37

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I can't speak for him, but for me? Straight integer scaling of 4k and 1440p. I loathe fractional scaling, and I cannot wait for the day that I can run an 8k display at > 90hz without compromise

> I loathe fractional scaling Why? Is that an OS problem?

Not the original commenter but, it... has a certain look to it. It's not something that can be totally solved by the OS or any scaling algorithm because fundamentally you have to deal with rendering fractional portions of a pixel to a physical screen where there is no such thing as a fractional pixel. It just always looks different, and IMO worse, than integer scaling.

You have to trade off distortions for bluriness and you can't avoid both of those artifacts at the same time. The higher your pixel ppi, the less noticeable any scaling artifacts will be though.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by claytonjy »

keyle wrote: post #165

I'm surprised no one is talking about the Dell screen bugs with macOS/M1/M2. I have the 27" and 32" curved monitor, and they both suffer from massive flickering issues with some hues. And yes I have it pegged at 60hz, unlike the "solution" says, removing the variable rate does not solve the problem. Buyers beware of Dell screens with macOS on Apple Silicon. And yes I've tried many different cables... :)

Is this specific to the curved ones? I've got the Dell G3223Q, a flat 32" 4k 144Hz, no flickering on my M2 MacBook pro or my Framework with PopOS. I run it at 1080p (2x scaling) on both and connect through a CalDigit TS4 w/ DisplayPort.

I like it enough I'm considering a second. Only downside is no usb-c.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by turtlebits »

petepete wrote: post #92
bloggie wrote: post #91

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In CAD/EDM tools higher resolution means more productivity, (to a point) as you can fit more useful information on the screen at a time - you can “zoom out” more and still keep a useful level of detail. Especially useful in schematic and pcb design where dense areas of interest can be spatially disparate. I don’t like large screens and currently use 24” 4k screens which seem to be either unavailable or expensive, the…

Once you try a high refresh rate monitor, even for work, you just don't want to go back. Every movement and animation is buttery smooth. Try setting your refresh rate to 30hz for an hour.

Theres a hill people are willing to die on. Resolution matters for me, I don't care about refresh rate.

I'm constantly switching between my M1 Air and work M2 16 Pro and refresh rate has never bothered me.

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Post by voldacar »

diziet wrote: post #105

I think there are three groups of people with opinions regarding 120Hz vs 60Hz refresh rate. Group 1 can tell the difference between the two and strongly prefers 120Hz. Group 2 can't tell the difference between the two and prefers the more affordable options. Group 3 has not done a lot of comparisons between the two refresh rates, or has used 120Hz displays that were actually in 60Hz mode, or compared lower resolutio…

I'm shocked that group 2 exists at all. Just wave your mouse around and watch the cursor. Or open up quake and turn around while keeping your eye focused on a stationary object.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by keyle »

claytonjy wrote: post #185
keyle wrote: post #165

I'm surprised no one is talking about the Dell screen bugs with macOS/M1/M2. I have the 27" and 32" curved monitor, and they both suffer from massive flickering issues with some hues. And yes I have it pegged at 60hz, unlike the "solution" says, removing the variable rate does not solve the problem. Buyers beware of Dell screens with macOS on Apple Silicon. And yes I've tried many different cables... :)

Is this specific to the curved ones? I've got the Dell G3223Q, a flat 32" 4k 144Hz, no flickering on my M2 MacBook pro or my Framework with PopOS. I run it at 1080p (2x scaling) on both and connect through a CalDigit TS4 w/ DisplayPort. I like it enough I'm considering a second. Only downside is no usb-c.

It's not specific to curved ones, I have a flat S2721SQ that does it as much as the curved S3221QS.

I believe this is why it's not a problem for you:

    [...] both and connect through a CalDigit TS4

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Post by mighmi »

voldacar wrote: post #187
diziet wrote: post #105

I think there are three groups of people with opinions regarding 120Hz vs 60Hz refresh rate. Group 1 can tell the difference between the two and strongly prefers 120Hz. Group 2 can't tell the difference between the two and prefers the more affordable options. Group 3 has not done a lot of comparisons between the two refresh rates, or has used 120Hz displays that were actually in 60Hz mode, or compared lower resolutio…

I'm shocked that group 2 exists at all. Just wave your mouse around and watch the cursor. Or open up quake and turn around while keeping your eye focused on a stationary object.

There are also people who can't really focus on moving objects very well. They generally look extremely blurry to me even if moving relatively slow.

A few years ago e.g. the Simpsons began to use these computer aided 3-d pans which hurt my eyes to watch. Pausing, they are all in normal resolution but when watching them the screen turns into a mush for me and I can just see color blobs.

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Post by wkat4242 »

the_pwner224 wrote: post #179
j45 wrote: post #125

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I have 3 24" Benq 2K video grade monitors running at 2560x1440 giving me nearly 11 million usable pixels. It has a huge boost in productivity for me. 4K TVs only seem to become usably readable with Chroma 4:4:4 at 38" or above, ideally curved, to get 4 usable 1920x1080 quadrants. When the screen sizes go smaller, absolutely detail and quality increases, but for software development or text centric work is concerned,…

The point isn't to have more pixels, it's to have more detailed pixels. You use scaling to get whatever display size you want. 4k 27" with 2x scaling is effectively the same size as 1080p 27". But one looks like absolute crap, the other is reasonably sharp and detailed. Text is much better with higher PPI. And 4k27" is just 160 PPI, the 6k 32" monitors are 220 PPI so text is very crisp. I don't know about other OSs,…

Yeah I love my 4K 24" monitor but nobody seems to be making them anymore :'( especially at this price point ($250). It's the minimum DPI I'd consider HiDPI. Really worried about it breaking at some point. I wish I had bought two.

27" 4K just won't cut it. And I don't want a monitor that big anyway.

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