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Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 12:30 AM UTC

aidenn0 wrote: post #107

coder543 wrote: post #39

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I would say that less than 30W might be a more realistic goal[0]. Maybe lower end monitors consume less power than these... I'm not sure. Also, it just seems strange that anyone is asking for a 1080p monitor in 2023 outside of Esports. Are you sure you want 1080p (2K) and not 1440p (2.5K)? It bothers me when people use 2K to refer to 1440p. 1080p is 2K[1]. [0]: this chart has a few recent monitors and gives a general…

I use 16:10 1200p monitors primarily which are also arguably 2k. I recently used a 1440p monitor and it actually is quite nice. I see zero use for me for a 4k monitor; I tried it and was completely nonplussed (and it makes remote-desktop usage significantly worse).

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Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by D13Fd » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 12:31 AM UTC

diziet wrote: post #105

I think there are three groups of people with opinions regarding 120Hz vs 60Hz refresh rate. Group 1 can tell the difference between the two and strongly prefers 120Hz. Group 2 can't tell the difference between the two and prefers the more affordable options. Group 3 has not done a lot of comparisons between the two refresh rates, or has used 120Hz displays that were actually in 60Hz mode, or compared lower resolutio…

No, I have 144hz and 60 hz monitors side by side at home, and 120/60 hz side by side at work. I can certainly tell the difference. It doesn’t bother me much, although it’s enough that I have held off on the recent Apple display mostly because it only does 60hz.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by cassac » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 12:31 AM UTC

diziet wrote: post #105

I think there are three groups of people with opinions regarding 120Hz vs 60Hz refresh rate. Group 1 can tell the difference between the two and strongly prefers 120Hz. Group 2 can't tell the difference between the two and prefers the more affordable options. Group 3 has not done a lot of comparisons between the two refresh rates, or has used 120Hz displays that were actually in 60Hz mode, or compared lower resolutio…

Lots of people can tell the difference and simply don’t care. I care about black levels but I don’t pretend that people who don’t care are clueless.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by kuschku » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 12:32 AM UTC

j45 wrote: post #123

I find a 2Kish (2560x1440or1600) resolution on a 24-27" Monitor to be the most usable for text. I understand things like fonts render smoother on a 4-6-8K monitor but it also draws more power usually to power all those pixels. The use of a Chroma 4:4:4 capable 4K tv is also often really helpful because one 4K screen at large enough size gives four 1920x1080 working surfaces. 4K seems to become useful at 38" Or so in…

Why are you conflating 2K (2048x1080/1920x1080) and 1440p (2560x1440)? They're not even close to the same resolution.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by keyle » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 12:32 AM UTC

I'm surprised no one is talking about the Dell screen bugs with macOS/M1/M2. I have the 27" and 32" curved monitor, and they both suffer from massive flickering issues with some hues.

And yes I have it pegged at 60hz, unlike the "solution" says, removing the variable rate does not solve the problem.

Buyers beware of Dell screens with macOS on Apple Silicon.

And yes I've tried many different cables... :)

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by kurthr » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 12:33 AM UTC

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #152

akaru wrote: post #147

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Check your math, son.

My point is none of these refresh rates are multiples of 23.976.

I think your point is that 1/1000 frames would need to be 6:5 at 120Hz?

I'd be more concerned with the automatic black frame insertion most LCDs do to increase contrast.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by gkhartman » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 12:37 AM UTC

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #128

Matheus28 wrote: post #112

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120 Hz feels a lot smoother for scrolling or anything with movement on the screen. 8K is the point in which at the monitor size I use, individual pixels would be too hard to see. They're already a bit hard to see at 4K, but at 8K it'd be perfect.

Just sit further away or get older :)

I've recently started noticing latter has been happening to me without my consent ;)

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by kuschku » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 12:39 AM UTC

hedora wrote: post #33

adamgamble wrote: post #2

Although I haven’t used these monitors, my experience with high dpi on windows and Linux has been a nightmare compared to OSX. It’s surprising me the non Mac world hasn’t made this a bigger priority.

Modern Linux DPI support is a nightmare. It's a shame, since if you just run and old-school software stack (X11; minimal window manager; xrandr to adjust DPI if you hotplug a monitor), then it has much nicer font rendering than Mac OS. This is particularly frustrating since I've been using high DPI displays since the CRT days. Everything horribly regressed about a decade ago, and still isn't back to 1999 standards.

It actually got really really good with Ubuntu 23.04 and KDE. It's finally working as it should, and perfectly sharp.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by orliesaurus » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 12:39 AM UTC

I feel like a fish out of water - I understand the importance of having an external monitor, maybe even 2 monitors if you're on desktop, but...8K ? 32 inch? curved? 120hz ... wow I feel like I have absolute no problems sitting here with a 27 inch 60 hz monitor alongside my Macbook pro...

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by veidr » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 12:51 AM UTC

Absolutely, hell no, if you are talking about the screen itself.

The difference in crispness between the Dell UP321K (~280ppi at 7680x64280 at 31.5 inches) and this new U3224KBA (~220ppi at 6144 x 3456 at 32") is dramatic.

The new Dell 6K is about the same as the Apple 6K (the XDR Pro Display). I had that 6K Apple and the 8K Dell side-by-side on my desk for a few months (until I could find a buyer for the dramatically inferior Apple). During that time, I asked anybody who happened to stop by to look at the screens and compare them.

Almost everybody could see the difference immediately.

A few people, admittedly, said they looked pretty much the same. I think there's a certain level of eyesight required to discern the difference. Having said that, I got my first prescription glasses 2 years ago, and I can easily see the difference with glasses on or off.

I cannot see pixels on either one. But what I can see is a slight fuzz at the edges of letters on the lower res display. Moreover, I need my glasses to use the 6K for long stretches and I don't even really need to wear them with the 8K. That's what made me so attached to this monitor.

I was therefore bummed to see Dell release this 6K. I want a modern version of the 8K! Two cables sucks, it's quite a compatibility nightmare to get configured properly on Linux if you want to use cheaper monitors alongside it (because the software support for multiple displays at different scaling factors is pretty bad still on most Linux). On Mac it never worked at all, until they released the M2 chip(!).

(It has always worked fine on Windows, just plug it in.)

Having used this for a few years, I don't ever want to go back to 6K, or 5K, or 4K. I just want 8K to get cheaper so that I can rock 3 8K displays, instead of the 4K-8K-4K I suffer today.... also, 120Hz please.