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Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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I switched from a pair of 27" 4K to a 34" Ultrawide and I like it but I miss the pixel density. Hope we get a "Retina" Ultrawide before too long.

This is why I've stuck with my pair of older 24" 4k dell monitors.

Before them I was using regular 2k monitors, and would get headaches staring at a monitor for a full workday 8-10 hours and my eyes were so strained I usually ended up just going to bed right afterwards. I've never used an ultrawide, but I'd be really interested in trying one out IF I can get a similar PPI (~192 or higher)

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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post #147

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Nor is 120. Even with a 240Hz display, capturing and editing should use 3:2 pulldown for best end user playback. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-two_pull_down

Check your math, son.

My point is none of these refresh rates are multiples of 23.976.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Once you try a high refresh rate monitor, even for work, you just don't want to go back. Every movement and animation is buttery smooth. Try setting your refresh rate to 30hz for an hour.

People say this, but I’ve had people fail double blind tests for 120hz vs 90hz vs 60hz. I’ve yet to find anyone that can reliably tell 144hz vs 120hz. What people mostly notice is latency not refresh rate.

Took me 2 seconds to notice that a friends monitor was at 60hz by just moving the mouse. Just look at the distance between each cursor icon update as you move it.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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What is your actual use case apart from technology fetishism?

I can't speak for him, but for me? Straight integer scaling of 4k and 1440p. I loathe fractional scaling, and I cannot wait for the day that I can run an 8k display at > 90hz without compromise

> I loathe fractional scaling

Why? Is that an OS problem?

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People say this, but I’ve had people fail double blind tests for 120hz vs 90hz vs 60hz. I’ve yet to find anyone that can reliably tell 144hz vs 120hz. What people mostly notice is latency not refresh rate.

Took me 2 seconds to notice that a friends monitor was at 60hz by just moving the mouse. Just look at the distance between each cursor icon update as you move it.

Some people use really slow mice (low resolution and/or configured for low sensitivity), which I suspect is a factor here.

It's noticeable for me on every single mouse movement— no special effort is required to move the cursor 'quickly'.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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It's been pretty amazing how stagnant the monitor space is. I too am really craving an 8k@120 monitor, although there's a decent chance I'll balk at the price.

It’s crazy how much of a regression there was in resolution and picture quality when we went from CRT to LCD displays. In the late 90’s you could get a CRT that did 2048x1536 no sweat with great color and decent refresh rate. Then suddenly LCD displays became the standard and they looked awful. Low resolutions, terrible colors and bad viewing angles. The only real advantage they had was size. It took a decade or so t…

It's still not reached a point where you can just choose high resolutions with no drawbacks.

2048x1536 19" (135ppi) at up to 72Hz was common at reasonable prices in the late 90s if my memory is correct. Although OS scaling sucked and text looked weird due to the shadow mask at that size. 1600x1200 (105ppi) was the sweet spot for me. And actually in my first job in 2004 I had two 20" 1600x1200 (100ppi) LCDs that I recall were reasonably priced and they were nicer overall. This was around the time LCDs became the default choice. Then "HD" became a thing a couple of years later and you are right, for the next ten years virtually all monitors were "widescreen HD", which was 1280x720 if you fell for marketing of the lower-priced units or or 1920x1080 at best. Anything higher was very expensive.

In 2012 the retina macbooks came out and I got a 13(.3)" with 2560x1600 resolution (227ppi). This was the first time for me that LCDs were finally great. But you couldn't get a resolution like that in an external display. So at that time I mostly just didn't use external monitors until 2016 when suddenly 4K 27" (163ppi) became reasonably priced. So I used 2 of those for years and they were good enough but still left me wanting.

Now still to this day, 4K is the max for external monitors at reasonable prices at any size. About 2 years ago I got an M1 macbook and realized it only supported 1 external monitor. I felt like I needed to keep the real estate I was used to and anyway, with the pandemic and WFH, managing multiple monitors with multiple (work and personal) machines sucked. All I could really find at a reasonable price was 32"/4K and 49" ultrawide. I begrudgingly downgraded to a 49" 5120x1440 monitor (109ppi). I will admit that going from 60Hz to 120Hz was nicer than I expected.

So in 2023 my laptop screen is great and has been great for 10+ years but this was my story about how I am still using the same pixel density as I did 25 years ago.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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post #105

I think there are three groups of people with opinions regarding 120Hz vs 60Hz refresh rate. Group 1 can tell the difference between the two and strongly prefers 120Hz. Group 2 can't tell the difference between the two and prefers the more affordable options. Group 3 has not done a lot of comparisons between the two refresh rates, or has used 120Hz displays that were actually in 60Hz mode, or compared lower resolutio…

I used to be in group 3, then I got an iPhone with 120Hz display and fell into group 1. When you turn on Low Power Mode it restricts the display to 60Hz and it’s extremely noticeable for me now. Luckily I don’t notice the difference for monitors because I don’t have any 120Hz displays yet.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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I also bought one of these, but ended up returning it. The technical aspects of this review are interesting, especially the wide range of machines tested. I finished writing a review of my own[0] a few days ago, which is less technical but goes into some other aspects of the monitor. [0]: https://www.wells.dev/dell-ultrasharp-u3224kb-squandered-pot...

> One might surmise that Dell is aware of the issue given the monitor's Mac-inclined target audience however, which makes the lack of mention of it anywhere in marketing materials or documentation feel somewhat dishonest.

Wouldn't be the first time. My previous Dell monitor, the U3818DW, had a bug with its USB-C implementation that only affected Macs (somebody proved via protocol inspection that they were actually implementing part of the protocol wrong; it just didn't manifest on Windows). Their support forums for the issue are full of a single Dell representative whose sole response was to remind all of the Apple users that _technically_, Dell never qualified this monitor for macOS, and it's their fault for not carefully reading the technical documentation before purchasing. (Naturally, many of the reviews on Amazon are of people plugging it into a MacBook Pro.)

Really soured me on the idea of buying a Dell monitor for anything Apple related after that.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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post #105

I think there are three groups of people with opinions regarding 120Hz vs 60Hz refresh rate. Group 1 can tell the difference between the two and strongly prefers 120Hz. Group 2 can't tell the difference between the two and prefers the more affordable options. Group 3 has not done a lot of comparisons between the two refresh rates, or has used 120Hz displays that were actually in 60Hz mode, or compared lower resolutio…

I find it hard to believe anyone wouldn’t notice the difference when comparing side by side.

It may very well not be worth the price, but that’s different.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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I just purchased 2 of the 6Ks and I am keeping both. AMA. I do not understand the complaints about pixel density. The display is 223 ppi, which is the same or slightly higher than Apple displays. I am using them in a dual display configuration with an M1 Macbook Pro via TB4 and a Windows PC with an RTX 4090 via DisplayPort. The KVM feature makes switching back and forth a breeze. I am using 175% scaling (in Windows)…

> The display is 223 ppi, which is the same or slightly higher than Apple displays. For context, my MacBook from 2015 had a PPI of 220, so this comment is extremely accurate.

Also, the current Apple Studio Display and Apple XDR Pro Display are both 218 ppi.
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