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Goodreads was the future of book reviews, then Amazon bought it

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Re: Goodreads was the future of book reviews, then Amazon bought it

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Goodreads wasn't "the future of book reviews", it was a good review site that might have innovated great new things or might not have at all. But regardless, Amazon should never have been allowed to acquire it -- it was incredibly anti-competitive. Amazon never wanted to do anything with Goodreads at all -- as demonstrated by the fact that it hasn't done anything. It was a purely defensive move to prevent anyone else…

Unfortunately that's exactly why so many startups get bought. Not to become part of the parent company's business, no, just not to become a competitor later. Would stronger (and enforced) anti trust laws be a solution? I believe businesses would just lie and say they are going to be part of the business but then just bury them anyway.

That's also why many employees get hired! Talent denial.

Re: Goodreads was the future of book reviews, then Amazon bought it

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> I believe businesses would just lie and say they are going to be part of the business but then just bury them anyway. That's where my pet antitrust solution succeeds where others fail: ban all M&A. Companies only engage in mergers to consolidate market share, but their market share consolidation (i.e. monopolization) not only decreases competition, but also comes at the expense of employees and customers of the acq…

It doesn't come at the expense of the employees of the acquired business. They often get rich, or at least land a well-paying and career-enhancing gig at the acquiring company. This is important, because it means that new companies that compete with the monopolies have many paths to success. If the only possible outcomes are "beat Amazon" and "fail hard", you won't get many attempts; it's better to get an entry-level…

> If the only possible outcomes are "beat Amazon" and "fail hard",

If you start a car company, are your only two options 'beat Wolkwagen" and fail hard? How many car companies do we have?

Re: Goodreads was the future of book reviews, then Amazon bought it

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Goodreads wasn't "the future of book reviews", it was a good review site that might have innovated great new things or might not have at all. But regardless, Amazon should never have been allowed to acquire it -- it was incredibly anti-competitive. Amazon never wanted to do anything with Goodreads at all -- as demonstrated by the fact that it hasn't done anything. It was a purely defensive move to prevent anyone else…

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Re: Goodreads was the future of book reviews, then Amazon bought it

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Goodreads wasn't "the future of book reviews", it was a good review site that might have innovated great new things or might not have at all. But regardless, Amazon should never have been allowed to acquire it -- it was incredibly anti-competitive. Amazon never wanted to do anything with Goodreads at all -- as demonstrated by the fact that it hasn't done anything. It was a purely defensive move to prevent anyone else…

Unfortunately that's exactly why so many startups get bought. Not to become part of the parent company's business, no, just not to become a competitor later. Would stronger (and enforced) anti trust laws be a solution? I believe businesses would just lie and say they are going to be part of the business but then just bury them anyway.

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Re: Goodreads was the future of book reviews, then Amazon bought it

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Unfortunately that's exactly why so many startups get bought. Not to become part of the parent company's business, no, just not to become a competitor later. Would stronger (and enforced) anti trust laws be a solution? I believe businesses would just lie and say they are going to be part of the business but then just bury them anyway.

> I believe businesses would just lie and say they are going to be part of the business but then just bury them anyway. That's where my pet antitrust solution succeeds where others fail: ban all M&A. Companies only engage in mergers to consolidate market share, but their market share consolidation (i.e. monopolization) not only decreases competition, but also comes at the expense of employees and customers of the acq…

Every member of this forum that has sold a company has had a life changing benefit from selling. It’s not just billionaires.

Re: Goodreads was the future of book reviews, then Amazon bought it

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> the average book should have a 2.5 Disagree on this. This assumes that people read books completely at random. In reality, people read blurbs/summaries or get a recommendation and the typical book you read is likely to be better than the midpoint between the worst book you've read and the best book you've read (I'm assuming a linear scale mental model).

> This assumes that people read books completely at random. I'm not sure it implies that. I think that if: 1. Book quality follows a normal distribution. and 2. People are capable of accurately assessing the quality of books relative to other books. then you'd end up with an average rating of 2.5. It doesn't matter if people are disproportionately reading the better books and rating them highly because an increasing…

You missed #3 all books get rated.

Terrible books likely have fewer readers, thus fewer and likely zero people would post a review.

Re: Goodreads was the future of book reviews, then Amazon bought it

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Eh, Goodreads has always suffered from the same problem that plagues every other review system which uses "score out of X" ranking. Humans just aren't very good at ranking things on a normal distribution, so you invariably end up with every item (books in this case) being ranked somewhere in the 3.5-4.5 range (since Goodreads is out of 5). For IMDB the rankings all hover around 8ish. When in reality the average book…

> I just give you two books that you've read and you tell me which is better. I can't wait to compare The Pickwick Papers against The Unfolding of Language .

I don't think it makes much sense to compare a fiction book to a non-fiction book. There's not enough points of comparison. While both can be compared on quality of prose, the fiction might be judged on characters and plot, and the non-fiction book on accuracy and detail.

You might as well ask the question: Who is the better Tennis player? Roger Federer or Garry Kasparov?

A system would need to draw some kind of boundary conditions so you are comparing things that have more in common than "printed on paper and bound".

Re: Goodreads was the future of book reviews, then Amazon bought it

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As others have pointed out, alternatives do exist. They just lack the network effect. I've recently moved to Bookwyrm. I was able to move import my Goodreads list, although many books were missing. Any new books i'm reading, go on Bookwyrm first. I had to add the ISBN details etc. for some. It's a bit of work initially, but atleast i feel my contribution is going to a non-walled garden. ---- https://joinbookwyrm.com/…

Beware that Bookwyrm is neither Open Source (as per OSI definition) nor Free Software (per FSF definition). It is legally impossible for a lot of people to deploy it, I think it even include myself (I am employed by a company, does it counts as "laboring for myself" in my country?)

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Re: Goodreads was the future of book reviews, then Amazon bought it

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> I believe businesses would just lie and say they are going to be part of the business but then just bury them anyway. That's where my pet antitrust solution succeeds where others fail: ban all M&A. Companies only engage in mergers to consolidate market share, but their market share consolidation (i.e. monopolization) not only decreases competition, but also comes at the expense of employees and customers of the acq…

> ban all M&A That makes about as much sense as banning marriage. M&A is fundamental and important.

M&S is not fundamental, I didn't ecen exist as a concept untill fairly recently in the history of Capitalism.
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