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Re: Drastic increase in Tor clients from Germany

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Post by oska »

0xDEF wrote: post #28
netsharc wrote: post #8

Maybe related to the Proto-Nazi party AfD winning a district a few days ago. And this 5 day old news story: https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-far-right-afd-securi... "Germany’s far-right AfD placed under security service surveillance" - "The party is now treated as a ‘suspected case’ for far-right extremism". I wonder if anyone can see inside the right-wing chat networks and if they've been mentioning Tor. Alth…

As a Danish person who has been to Eastern Germany (outside Berlin) I'm really not surprised by the rise of the AfD. It's common to see people on social media praise Germans for de-Nazification and criticize the Japanese for not confronting their past in the same way. Those people have clearly not interacted with Eastern Germans. In Eastern Germany the underlying neuroticism, persecution complex, and willingness to b…

I read this comment earlier today, and my thoughts have returned to it through the day. It is an extremely bigoted comment, that prompted further bigoted comments below it. I'm not asking for it to be removed or censored but I have come back to express just how revoltingly bigoted it is, and I think the commenter should reflect on how they got to the mindset that produces statements like this one.

Re: Drastic increase in Tor clients from Germany

#252

Post by throwaway2037 »

redprince wrote: post #248
throwaway2037 wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany hosts a disproportionate amount of sensitive data because it's the location of choice for cloud providers storing things for EU member countries. Hat tip to this. My German teammate and I have discussed exactly this point. The Microsoft Azure cloud has a German specific cloud that targets exactly this market. Some marketing genius made billions for Microsoft with that idea. One weird thing to me: You are righ…

> Why does non-urban, non-commercial (retail) Internet access suck so hard in Germany? To cut a very long story short, what should have happened a long time ago in Germany is to treat internet access at a reasonable speed (however that is determined) like access to electricity or the plain old telephone system: It's the law you get connected like everyone else at the price everyone else pays, even when you are in a v…

Did modern Germany (after reunited) ever discuss the idea of a national broadband network, like Australia and New Zealand? I cannot belive more highly industrialised countries have not followed this route. The long term economic impacts will be HUGE.

Re: Drastic increase in Tor clients from Germany

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Post by 93po »

chippy wrote: post #111
concordDance wrote: post #104

Does anyone understand the mass flagging and downvotes going on in this comment section? I'm very confused as I've never seen anything like it.

I'm guessing that there is some automatic system that works on certain words in comments. Flame detection has been mentioned before. Probably in combination with account age or karma. I also imagine that users vouching for these might offset the behaviour.

I have noticed a trend that some of my friends accounts get rate limited extremely easily while others don't. Not sure what's happening there, I assume there's a flag set by a mod or its otherwise calculated by karma total number of times the account has been flagged. it doesn't seem to correlate with recent controversial posting

Re: Drastic increase in Tor clients from Germany

#254

Post by aabceh »

oska wrote: post #251
0xDEF wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Danish person who has been to Eastern Germany (outside Berlin) I'm really not surprised by the rise of the AfD. It's common to see people on social media praise Germans for de-Nazification and criticize the Japanese for not confronting their past in the same way. Those people have clearly not interacted with Eastern Germans. In Eastern Germany the underlying neuroticism, persecution complex, and willingness to b…

I read this comment earlier today, and my thoughts have returned to it through the day. It is an extremely bigoted comment, that prompted further bigoted comments below it. I'm not asking for it to be removed or censored but I have come back to express just how revoltingly bigoted it is, and I think the commenter should reflect on how they got to the mindset that produces statements like this one.

It's really not. A generalization is not de facto bigotry. I wish Americans could figure this out some day.

Re: Drastic increase in Tor clients from Germany

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Post by [deleted] »

aabceh wrote: post #254
oska wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read this comment earlier today, and my thoughts have returned to it through the day. It is an extremely bigoted comment, that prompted further bigoted comments below it. I'm not asking for it to be removed or censored but I have come back to express just how revoltingly bigoted it is, and I think the commenter should reflect on how they got to the mindset that produces statements like this one.

It's really not. A generalization is not de facto bigotry. I wish Americans could figure this out some day.

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Re: Drastic increase in Tor clients from Germany

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Post by oska »

aabceh wrote: post #254
oska wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read this comment earlier today, and my thoughts have returned to it through the day. It is an extremely bigoted comment, that prompted further bigoted comments below it. I'm not asking for it to be removed or censored but I have come back to express just how revoltingly bigoted it is, and I think the commenter should reflect on how they got to the mindset that produces statements like this one.

It's really not. A generalization is not de facto bigotry. I wish Americans could figure this out some day.

> In Eastern Germany the underlying neuroticism, persecution complex, and willingness to believe in every conspiracy theory, things that were foundational for the rise of Nazism, is very much still alive.

The grandparent (quoted above) is generalising a population as having these negative aspects and suggesting that support for the AfD is only due to these reasons. It is a form of shallow dismissal based on bigotry. It doesn't seek to understand the population and properly why support for the AfD is rising. It's much easier (for the bigot) to write off people as having entrenched negative characteristics.

And I wouldn't normally say this but if you have a browse through the grandparent's comment history, the majority of their comments are of this ilk, including one comment about 2 months back that they received a warning from dang for.

Re: Drastic increase in Tor clients from Germany

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Post by flangola7 »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #249
flangola7 wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No, it's far less defensible, because people have the internet to look up and verify things as needed. Actual it is far more defensible, as I already clarified earlier. Propaganda remains effective regardless if there is the ability to verify it or not - and that is assuming everything can and will be checked by every person, which isn't realistic. > This kind of censorship is just nannying, which I'm generally aga…

> Actual it is far more defensible, as I already clarified earlier. You didn't clarify, you just gave your opinion. One I disagree with. > Propaganda remains effective regardless if there is the ability to verify it or not So you claim. Even so, the correct approach is for the government to fight propaganda with corrective disclosures. Censorship is not the answer. > It's not nannying at all. It's basic national self…

You're confusing opinion with facts. If I say the sky is blue and you say it is yellow, one of us is sharing an opinion, and it isn't me.

Moderation and removal is the correct action, so are you flatly incorrect. I'm not going to argue with the stubborn child that wants to put their fingers in the outlet. This isn't up for discussion.

Re: Drastic increase in Tor clients from Germany

#258

Post by PrimeMcFly »

flangola7 wrote: post #257
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Actual it is far more defensible, as I already clarified earlier. You didn't clarify, you just gave your opinion. One I disagree with. > Propaganda remains effective regardless if there is the ability to verify it or not So you claim. Even so, the correct approach is for the government to fight propaganda with corrective disclosures. Censorship is not the answer. > It's not nannying at all. It's basic national self…

You're confusing opinion with facts. If I say the sky is blue and you say it is yellow, one of us is sharing an opinion, and it isn't me. Moderation and removal is the correct action, so are you flatly incorrect. I'm not going to argue with the stubborn child that wants to put their fingers in the outlet. This isn't up for discussion.

> You're confusing opinion with facts. If I say the sky is blue and you say it is yellow, one of us is sharing an opinion, and it isn't me.

The irony and lack of self-awareness in this statement is honestly astounding.

You hoenstly think your opinion is objetive fact, lol.

> Moderation and removal is the correct action, so are you flatly incorrect.

Because you say so? lol.

> I'm not going to argue with the stubborn child that wants to put their fingers in the outlet. This isn't up for discussion.

There is no discussion to be had with someone that asserts their opinion as fact but can't corroborate it as such. Such a person is indeed a stubborn child, and them calling others a stubborn child can be dismissed like any other nonsense a child may say in an emotional state.

Re: Drastic increase in Tor clients from Germany

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Post by jlg23 »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #233
tw04 wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Off the top of my head - Germany hosts a disproportionate amount of sensitive data because it's the location of choice for cloud providers storing things for EU member countries. They have lots of fiber, lots of ISPs, plenty of datacenter space, a stable government, and data security laws that meet or exceed everyone else in the EU.

Germany hosts a disproportionate amount of sensitive data because it's the location of choice for cloud providers storing things for EU member countries. Hat tip to this. My German teammate and I have discussed exactly this point. The Microsoft Azure cloud has a German specific cloud that targets exactly this market. Some marketing genius made billions for Microsoft with that idea. One weird thing to me: You are righ…

> Why does non-urban, non-commercial (retail) Internet access suck so hard in Germany?

Lack of competition and laws tailored to the privatized Deutsche Telekom: If I dig up the street to put fiber optics, they may join in for free. So may I, if they dig up streets - they just don't.

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