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So where are we all supposed to go now?

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Re: So where are we all supposed to go now?

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I've been enjoying Metafilter again after many years, and also Tildes. There are well established forums for my interests that were always bigger than they were on reddit. I have some Tildes invites if anyone wants them.

I'd love one, please. Can be reached at mtiga at duck.icom, without both of the i's.

Re: So where are we all supposed to go now?

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The article is supposed to be about the "downfall of social networks" but somehow manages to ignore the fact that Facebook, Instagram and Tik Tok are all still thriving with no end in sight. It's basically trying to say that because Reddit is struggling with profitability and Twitter is struggling with being bought by a petty jackass, social networks are in precipitous decline? But I barely think of Reddit or Twitter…

> I use [Reddit] as a resource for niche topics

This is honestly the best way to use Reddit. I feel a lot of the hate is from people that haven't found subreddits useful/relevant to their needs, or are just plain ignorant. And look, I understand there's not enough time in the world to try out everything, but when people like you and I tell them that they can be useful tools, it'd behoove people to take a look before speaking from ignorance a second time.

Re: So where are we all supposed to go now?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Normies: But it's so easy and i can't be bothered to understand what i am doing anyway. Go away An alternative reading: Nerds screaming for decades: why make things easy for normies, they just need to git good. Poor UX is a feature, not a bug, and it doesn't matter anyway. Normies: lol ok sure. P.S. To add to the horse that is already beaten to death many times over: "just set up a cron job to rsync your files to a…

I read that as > The Free shit they make for us must be trivial to use and for free and i wont give them any money to develop it to solve the problem. I'd rather get exploited by megacorps for free and complain that they treat me like cattle hope they like to grass they get fed

How does poor UX and difficulty of use have anything to do with free vs paid? That's an entirely orthogonal problem.

I, personally, am in the camp of people willing to pay for non-shit services that let me avoid ads and other annoyances coming from something being "free". And I vote with my wallet too, which is why I pay for YT Premium and never have to think about the whole ad debacle with YT. Because yeah, "free" tends to come at a cost.

Re: So where are we all supposed to go now?

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Outside. There's even a nice blue ceiling (or, for British users, a nice grey ceiling)

Nobody will listen to ones unhinged rants outside though. Instead of being upvoted people just look at them funny.

I thought that was a plus?

Re: So where are we all supposed to go now?

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post #43

This article was a culture shock. Did people actually used to believe places like Reddit or Twitter were "healthy good places" to spend your time? I thought we were all on the same page for once, in recognizing that while social networks have some benefits for the most part they are deeply unhealthy places due to how every one of them is built around ad views or subscriptions. This is partially why I don't really car…

> Did people actually used to believe places like Reddit or Twitter were "healthy good places" to spend your time? If you never curated your reddit experience, I could see how you might have this attitude. I won't deny that /r/popular and /r/all are rage inducing dumpster fires. But if you create an account and join subreddits, just going to https://www.reddit.com/ takes you to a selection just from those subreddits…

I have curated my experience. Including tiny subs dedicated to niches. I still don't see it as a healthy good place to spend my time. What's worse, is the platform encourages these subs to spread, become unmaintainable to the core moderation group, and eventually becomes yet another dumpster fire. Everyone always loves to believe their sub won't change.

Why are we bothering wasting resources on reddit, when what we actually want is a maintained wiki page?

>Google would disagree

Only because Google has ignored their search engine problem for years before Reddit existed, and sees absolutely no problem in promoting the most random of sites as long as the content technically exists on the page. At this point, I'm not sure they want to solve the problem, due to the revenue gained by encouraging prioritized ad placements.

Don't even get me started on the absurd levels of misinformation. Not even related to politics, it's everything. The posturing as experts when they're 15 year olds. The encouraging of buying this over that, without letting others know they work for that company. So much of the "useful information" on reddit is misjudged that way because of the pseudo-anonymous structure that encourages people to turn off their brain and believe everything they read. By the way this isn't an argument in support of non-anonymous platforms, only that the way people interact with Reddit is quite harmful and not sure many recognize that.

Re: So where are we all supposed to go now?

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post #48

The article is supposed to be about the "downfall of social networks" but somehow manages to ignore the fact that Facebook, Instagram and Tik Tok are all still thriving with no end in sight. It's basically trying to say that because Reddit is struggling with profitability and Twitter is struggling with being bought by a petty jackass, social networks are in precipitous decline? But I barely think of Reddit or Twitter…

I don't see Facebook (the core, original product) thriving. At least when it comes to actual engagement, I haven't seen any in years. None of my hundreds of "friends" posts anything anymore and we've been there since the Stanford days.

The number of active users continues to rise year to year, currently up to around 3 BILLION.

Re: So where are we all supposed to go now?

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The article is supposed to be about the "downfall of social networks" but somehow manages to ignore the fact that Facebook, Instagram and Tik Tok are all still thriving with no end in sight. It's basically trying to say that because Reddit is struggling with profitability and Twitter is struggling with being bought by a petty jackass, social networks are in precipitous decline? But I barely think of Reddit or Twitter…

From what I understand TikTok is not currently financially sustainable and is supported by money infusions. I can't remember the numbers exactly but they price user time at something like 20% of what Facebook, YouTube and other financially stable social media do. When TikTok is forced to become economically viable, the cycle will repeat where some new company gets a license to burn cash and undercuts them at the same time TikTok's forced to make the site less pleasing to users. It's pretty easy to view TikTok as an economic weapon aimed at FAANG (similar to steel dumping).

Re: So where are we all supposed to go now?

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The article is supposed to be about the "downfall of social networks" but somehow manages to ignore the fact that Facebook, Instagram and Tik Tok are all still thriving with no end in sight. It's basically trying to say that because Reddit is struggling with profitability and Twitter is struggling with being bought by a petty jackass, social networks are in precipitous decline? But I barely think of Reddit or Twitter…

And wishing Twitter dead is just the wishful thinking of the people who write for newspapers and outlets like the Verge, because they spent 24 hours a day on it and it catered to them.

For people who aren't angry about politics, Twitter is just as appealing as it ever was (other than the transition pains.) Among people who are angry about politics, it became less appealing to people who think certain ideas should disqualify you from speaking, and more appealing to those who either don't think that, or who think that an entirely different set of ideas than the recent status quo should be the ones that disqualify you from speaking.

Re: So where are we all supposed to go now?

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post #32

The decline of social network monopolies will also see a decline in mass political influence in the form of international content farms pumping out propaganda, and grassroots organisations trying to save us from burning down the planet. It feels like the balance of political discourse and its capacity for abuse wobbles and wavers over time, but ultimately they cancel each other out. I'm looking forward to a world bey…

The decline of individual social networks leads to social network monopolies, it doesn't damage them.

Re: So where are we all supposed to go now?

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How about websites try cultivating their own audiences in the comments section and messageboards, which was the default until these sites decided that getting traffic from social was all that mattered?

10 years ago The Verge had a thriving comments section, with an audience that migrated from Engadget and Gizmodo. There was even a messageboard to discuss topics in more detail. It ended up getting closed. These days the comments sections on Verge stories are largely dead.

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