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Re: Wikipedia switches to CC BY-SA 4.0 license

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Why every goddamn thing has to be exciting? Surely American organizational culture is becoming a parody of itself. If anything, this reminds us that American non-profits are run just like corporations.

In my native language someone being excited means someone being horny.

This is also one possible meaning of excited in English. It's usually applied to dogs.

Re: Wikipedia switches to CC BY-SA 4.0 license

#52
post #30

I still love how years ago, Stallman basically added a backdoor to GNU FDL just for wikipedia (and similar wikis) just for the few months when Wikipedia was migrating the license. It worked though to elaborate… wikipedia used to be GNU Free Document License, which is a terrible license. But there was no way to easily migrate to CC, as you would need to contact all the authors and get agreement. So FSF used the “or la…

Pretty much the one time the GNU Project conceded anything to a different organization. Still very strange. Also, for anyone wondering - don't use the GFDL, it's one of the worst written licenses out there.

Every copy or snippet of it needs the full license text attached, which is kind of bonkers if all you're doing is a citation. Debian rejects documentation written under the license because it's unclear and onerous to comply with[0]. It's incompatible with literally any other license on the planet as well (it's not a "proper" Free Software License because of crap like invariant sections, which just exists to force the GNU Manifesto in every copy of the GNU projects documentation). There's also such charming issues like "the anti-DRM clause is worded in such a way that you can't store a GFDL file on an encrypted filesystem". It's a really really bad license and a serious competitor for the worst license ever written by the GNU project (even the AGPL isn't this bad).

Wikipedia changed it because they kept having to deal with people who pointed out that anyone reproducing Wikipedia content could technically violate it's license, an obviously-on-the-nose issue.

The worst part? The GNU/FSF still recommends the fucking GFDL on its website[1] for documentation even though they offered a carveout for the WMF.

It's hard to understate just how bad the GDFL is.

[0]: https://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001

[1]: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-recommendations.en.html...

Re: Wikipedia switches to CC BY-SA 4.0 license

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ever consider that it is exciting for someone to have completed this work successfully? Would you also say it’s strange for someone to be excited that they’re done with class, or finished an exam, or successfully closed an old bug? A better question is why everyone has to be so negative.

It's typical American usage where everything is awesome, amazing or exciting. From my British view, without reference to a dictionary, awesome is when you hear fighter jets zoom overhead, or a metal band from in front of the stage, or Niagara Falls, or a mile-long freight train full of rocks shaking the ground as it passes. The target has strength, size and power. An amazing thing is far beyond normal expectations in…

As an American it’s pretty awesome when I eat a particularly good street truck gyro after a night of drinking.

I saw a vulture outside yesterday. I thought that was pretty amazing! I’d never seen one before.

I was pretty excited yesterday to run after a rabbit in my yard like a five year old as my kids yelled “dad no don’t eat it!”

But even as an American with my strange irrational exuberance and positive language creep, I can agree with you that changing from version 3 to 4 of a license is none of these things.

Re: Wikipedia switches to CC BY-SA 4.0 license

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ever consider that it is exciting for someone to have completed this work successfully? Would you also say it’s strange for someone to be excited that they’re done with class, or finished an exam, or successfully closed an old bug? A better question is why everyone has to be so negative.

It's typical American usage where everything is awesome, amazing or exciting. From my British view, without reference to a dictionary, awesome is when you hear fighter jets zoom overhead, or a metal band from in front of the stage, or Niagara Falls, or a mile-long freight train full of rocks shaking the ground as it passes. The target has strength, size and power. An amazing thing is far beyond normal expectations in…

> awesome is when you hear fighter jets zoom overhead, or a metal band from in front of the stage, or Niagara Falls, or a mile-long freight train full of rocks shaking the ground as it passes.

To me all of these things sound very lame. I find the Wikipedia licensing change more interesting. I think the post did a good job explaining why this matters and what this changes for Wikipedia.

Re: Wikipedia switches to CC BY-SA 4.0 license

#55

Why every goddamn thing has to be exciting? Surely American organizational culture is becoming a parody of itself. If anything, this reminds us that American non-profits are run just like corporations.

Each time you read any American text, treat words like “exciting”, “proud”, “amazing”, etc, same as “a” and “the”.

They both provide little value to the communication and are mostly just a language quirk.

Re: Wikipedia switches to CC BY-SA 4.0 license

#56

Why every goddamn thing has to be exciting? Surely American organizational culture is becoming a parody of itself. If anything, this reminds us that American non-profits are run just like corporations.

Wikipedia has a ton of contirbutors wary of any changes to how Wikipedia functions. So every little change is under a ton of scrutiny from them. With the license, I presume most of them are interested; it is the license that applies to their own words after all.

Ergo, a very hum-drum announcment gets this.

Re: Wikipedia switches to CC BY-SA 4.0 license

#58

Why every goddamn thing has to be exciting? Surely American organizational culture is becoming a parody of itself. If anything, this reminds us that American non-profits are run just like corporations.

My boss recently told me that my enthusiasm level (average) doesn't match the quality of my work (high), and that the higher the ladder I climb, the more that will matter for further promotions.

(Yes, American company).

Re: Wikipedia switches to CC BY-SA 4.0 license

#59
post #30

I still love how years ago, Stallman basically added a backdoor to GNU FDL just for wikipedia (and similar wikis) just for the few months when Wikipedia was migrating the license. It worked though to elaborate… wikipedia used to be GNU Free Document License, which is a terrible license. But there was no way to easily migrate to CC, as you would need to contact all the authors and get agreement. So FSF used the “or la…

Pretty much the one time the GNU Project conceded anything to a different organization. Still very strange. Also, for anyone wondering - don't use the GFDL, it's one of the worst written licenses out there. Every copy or snippet of it needs the full license text attached, which is kind of bonkers if all you're doing is a citation. Debian rejects documentation written under the license because it's unclear and onerous…

I'd be interested to know why you imply that the (GNU?) AGPL is a bad licence. AGPL-3.0-or-later is a very sensible FOSS licence in my opinion; some awkward punctuation is about the most I can level against it.

Re: Wikipedia switches to CC BY-SA 4.0 license

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're overthinking this. If you link to the Wikipedia page, you have reasonable certainty the link will be valid for a decent length of time. If I distribute something now, the link doesn't have to be valid in 20 years time. What if in 20 years time the link no longer works and I'm still distributing the content? Then I'll update the link, or link to the web archive. If for some reason neither of these is possible,…

> you have reasonable certainty the link will be valid for a decent length of time. Welcome to the German Wikipedia where stuff gets deleted quicker than you can look up what a Donaudampfschifffahrtsgesellschaftskapitänspatent even is.

Although it is inconvenient you can still ask an administrator for the page log https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Page_history#Moved_and_de...
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