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Six-Legged Giant Finds Secret Hideaway, Hides For 80 Years

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Re: Six-Legged Giant Finds Secret Hideaway, Hides For 80 Years

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I think the way it works for most most (maybe even all) insects is to use air to blow themselves up much like a balloon to get out of the egg or cocoon.

where does this air come from; is the cocoon/egg not airtight?

Possibly, but it popped the top open. Maybe it's possible to do that by just flexing some muscles.

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Firstly, I apologise for downvoting you. Unnecessary, and somewhat spiteful. I'm guessing in advance that we're going to have to agree to disagree, or more likely, this conversation will peter out unfinished, but I'll have a go at explaining my position. The Earth is a finite enclosed ecosystem to all intents and purposes. Humans have existed for a small fraction of time compared to the entire life of the planet. In…

"For scientific reasons, isolated species such as these should be preserved. To study, inform and provide living examples of the diversity of life that existed before the ubiquity of modern human civilisation eradicated so much." These are two contradictory statements in one statement. Either we preserve, in which case there is no 'before' in your sentence (because there is no eradication), or we don't, and we docume…

"These are two contradictory statements in one statement."

Well I'm glad I got the opportunity to chat with you sir, and your smarts shut me down. I'll shut up now.

Let me know when I can talk, and in the meantime

Re: Six-Legged Giant Finds Secret Hideaway, Hides For 80 Years

#163
post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firstly, I apologise for downvoting you. Unnecessary, and somewhat spiteful. I'm guessing in advance that we're going to have to agree to disagree, or more likely, this conversation will peter out unfinished, but I'll have a go at explaining my position. The Earth is a finite enclosed ecosystem to all intents and purposes. Humans have existed for a small fraction of time compared to the entire life of the planet. In…

"For scientific reasons, isolated species such as these should be preserved. To study, inform and provide living examples of the diversity of life that existed before the ubiquity of modern human civilisation eradicated so much." These are two contradictory statements in one statement. Either we preserve, in which case there is no 'before' in your sentence (because there is no eradication), or we don't, and we docume…

"These are two contradictory statements in one statement."

Well I'm glad I got the opportunity to chat with you sir, and your smarts shut me down. I'll shut up now.

Let me know when I can talk, and in the meantime

Re: Six-Legged Giant Finds Secret Hideaway, Hides For 80 Years

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I love stories like this! I can understand how difficult these guys will be to introduce back into their original habitat...there will have to be extensive investigation into if they will hurt the local economy (i.e. will they eat plans that people sell for profit or use for food). Australia hasnt had a good history of introducing or removing animals (take those rats as an example, and then consider the Cain toad..not cool)

Just imagine how fulfilling it felt as the first insect escaped from its vacuum pack...serious wow moment i imagine. I wish i was that valuable to this world...

Re: Six-Legged Giant Finds Secret Hideaway, Hides For 80 Years

#165
post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"For scientific reasons, isolated species such as these should be preserved. To study, inform and provide living examples of the diversity of life that existed before the ubiquity of modern human civilisation eradicated so much." These are two contradictory statements in one statement. Either we preserve, in which case there is no 'before' in your sentence (because there is no eradication), or we don't, and we docume…

"These are two contradictory statements in one statement." Well I'm glad I got the opportunity to chat with you sir, and your smarts shut me down. I'll shut up now. Let me know when I can talk, and in the meantime

Not sure if you pressed 'reply' too soon?

I'm quite confused, first you say you want to discuss, but then you get all snarky and dismissive on me without going into the substance of the discussion. If there are any rational reasons to want to preserve as many species as possible, I'd like to be convinced. I was just pointing out that your arguments weren't phrased consistently, and then went on to explain my interpretation of what you were trying to say, so as to not get stuck in pedanticism or requiring too much thought into what is, after all, an informal discussion. I'm just trying to make my interpretations of your words explicit by way of explaining the process that led to them, yet you seem to interpret it as an ad hominem.

Re: Six-Legged Giant Finds Secret Hideaway, Hides For 80 Years

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the way it works for most most (maybe even all) insects is to use air to blow themselves up much like a balloon to get out of the egg or cocoon.

where does this air come from; is the cocoon/egg not airtight?

While an egg or cocoon might be airtight, it must also still remain air permeable. Everything must be able to breathe. So while there might not be a visible flow of air, like through an open window, oxygen and CO2 still make their way in and out all the time.

Also initially the insect might break the egg/cocoon open without extra air, just by simple mechanics, but once it's out it starts to pump air into itself.

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Human error almost caused the species to go extinct -- I think it's fair, right, and proper to move to restore them to their prior condition if possible, and the situation was critical on the pyramid. It seems like a pretty docile species based on the articles facts, and they could keep them cordoned in a lab until they found what to do with them. If the researchers and biologists felt it was the right play (which th…

I had the same thought reading the article. There are risks either way; bureaucratic deliberation has costs as well as benefits. In this case, the relevant experts, in balancing those costs against the benefits, would definitely not have dithered for two years before acting. We've definitely lost something here. As Peter Thiel noted: [1] There are ways that the government is working far less well than it used to. Jus…

Galloping Gertie[1] was built in less than two years and lasted three months before collapsing. There is a reason behind most bureaucratic procedures, forgotten though it may be.

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_Narrows_Bridge_(1940)

Re: Six-Legged Giant Finds Secret Hideaway, Hides For 80 Years

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Pics of Ball's Pyramid from Bryden Allen, one of the first people to summit this wicked place: http://www.uq.edu.au/nuq/jack/Bryden.html

Summit is a verb now?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/summit?show=1&...

Re: Six-Legged Giant Finds Secret Hideaway, Hides For 80 Years

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Pics of Ball's Pyramid from Bryden Allen, one of the first people to summit this wicked place: http://www.uq.edu.au/nuq/jack/Bryden.html

Summit is a verb now?

Disclaimer: English is not my first language.

In my experience, I see it's very, very common to turn a noun as a verb, in informal contexts. Do you people still bother to make a distinction?

Re: Six-Legged Giant Finds Secret Hideaway, Hides For 80 Years

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"Step one, therefore, would be to mount an intensive (and expensive) rat annihilation program. Residents would, no doubt, be happy to go rat-free, ..." I despise rats. Yet I find it disconcerting that the author just brushes this off as a triviality. We are perfectly happy saving one species by wiping out another.

I doubt anybody in the world can anihilate rats.
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