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Re: Nim Succession Plan

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Post by Ancapistani » Sun, Jul 02, 2023, 8:21 PM UTC

polotics wrote: post #15

polotics wrote: post #14

Big trap of internet posting: your worst day's post can become a defining statement. Clearly on the day Andreas posted this, he wasn't at his kindest. Nim's great and readable, the code will survive many such days I think.

...just for the record still, I am older than 50, but changing "master" to "trunk" has been a no-brainer...

I'm 40, and I think the push for it was pretty silly.

Unlike Andreas, I just don't care about it enough to get upset, though. I'm perfectly happy with something seeming silly to me and just moving on with my life.

I suspect that Andreas has legitimate concerns about a foundation limiting his ability to set the technical and community direction. Unfortunately, he just didn't communicate that very well in this case.

Re: Nim Succession Plan

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Post by planetis » Sun, Jul 02, 2023, 8:26 PM UTC

tldr: Nim's creator doesn't want to get involved in building a community. Araq is based af. This is known since a while. Despite the fact, a community has been created with all kinds of people participating. A rule we have is their opinion worths as much as ours. Sometimes we have political debades in #offtopic but generally everyone is civil and channels are moderated by a whole team of eager mods. Toxic commenters here try to frame it as the end of it all. Nim's future is not uncertain. Tomorrow is another day.

Re: Nim Succession Plan

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Post by ElegantBeef » Sun, Jul 02, 2023, 8:37 PM UTC

planetis wrote: post #19

nperez wrote: post #11

I can tolerate different viewpoints on branch names and codes of conduct, but this is just an unhinged way to respond. I feel bad for everyone who has contributed to Nim and now has to live with this stain on their project

As a contributor thanks for your worry but next time keep your virtue to yourself. I read his response multiple times and don't find anything wrong with it. Just an opinion. Worths as much as mine or yours.

As a contributor it is still an awful non sequitur that does not answer the question, and brings up a fantastical world.

Re: Nim Succession Plan

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Post by summerlight » Sun, Jul 02, 2023, 9:10 PM UTC

planetis wrote: post #22

tldr: Nim's creator doesn't want to get involved in building a community. Araq is based af. This is known since a while. Despite the fact, a community has been created with all kinds of people participating. A rule we have is their opinion worths as much as ours. Sometimes we have political debades in #offtopic but generally everyone is civil and channels are moderated by a whole team of eager mods. Toxic commenters…

I guess the point is that Nim's creator brought up seemingly unrelated, pointless rants on political matters against a genuinely organizational question? This is not exactly a civil discourse in any definitions, especially considering the context that Araq is supposed to be the most representative figure of the community.

Re: Nim Succession Plan

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Post by arrakeen » Sun, Jul 02, 2023, 9:21 PM UTC

what did you expect from a person who didn't realize that naming your programming language "nimrod" might not be a good idea?

Re: Nim Succession Plan

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Post by michaelsbradley » Sun, Jul 02, 2023, 9:28 PM UTC

LexiMax wrote: post #8

That response almost comes off as a non-sequitor, and the only somewhat reasonable interpretation I can parse out of it is that he purposefully has no succession plan as a middle-finger to anybody who might want to use Nim after he's gone, because apparently they're all products of a clownworld he wants no part of. That's a really bad reading, but it's the only one that makes any sort of sense.

The only one that makes any sort of sense?

How about this (which is just my guess): he has a great distaste for the politics he perceives and fears would be part and parcel of setting up a foundation at the present time, and perhaps worries the same would be a major distraction from his and other contributors' focus on improving the Nim language and its compiler; therefore he's punting hard on the question.

I agree his answer comes off as a non-sequitor, at least on first read. I also think he expressed himself poorly. Finally, I am not commenting on the substance of what he expressed (that humanity has become a "clownworld", etc.)

Re: Nim Succession Plan

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Post by esrauch » Sun, Jul 02, 2023, 9:42 PM UTC

arrakeen wrote: post #25

what did you expect from a person who didn't realize that naming your programming language "nimrod" might not be a good idea?

What's wrong with the name nimrod? The name is biblical but not overtly religious in this context, and the bugs bunny association (of a hunter who is a fool) doesn't seem like it should really offend anyone.

Like if he wanted to name the language "fool", how would it be a problem?

Re: Nim Succession Plan

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Post by LexiMax » Sun, Jul 02, 2023, 9:57 PM UTC

ZoomZoomZoom wrote: post #20

It's not easy to sincerely empathize with the problems of other people, especially when you think these problems are very distant to your day to day life. In the current world, permeated by negative information, it is often hard to feel emotionally connected to everything that's happening. This situation becomes particularly problematic for highly focused, technically-inclined individuals who are engulfed by their wo…

> Don't rush to label people as toxic unless they are obviously being dicks to others.

He used a question about project governance to rant about the "clownworld" we all supposedly inhabit - as well as labeling entire groups of people racist and sexist - apropos of absolutely nothing.

Sorry, but I think people are well within their right to be put off of the project because of that kind of attitude.

Re: Nim Succession Plan

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Post by firesloth » Sun, Jul 02, 2023, 11:06 PM UTC

arrakeen wrote: post #25

what did you expect from a person who didn't realize that naming your programming language "nimrod" might not be a good idea?

I was under the impression that using "nimrod" as an insult was an American thing (reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod#Idiom ). The creator of Nim is European.

Re: Nim Succession Plan

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Post by firesloth » Sun, Jul 02, 2023, 11:19 PM UTC

summerlight wrote: post #24

planetis wrote: post #22

tldr: Nim's creator doesn't want to get involved in building a community. Araq is based af. This is known since a while. Despite the fact, a community has been created with all kinds of people participating. A rule we have is their opinion worths as much as ours. Sometimes we have political debades in #offtopic but generally everyone is civil and channels are moderated by a whole team of eager mods. Toxic commenters…

I guess the point is that Nim's creator brought up seemingly unrelated, pointless rants on political matters against a genuinely organizational question? This is not exactly a civil discourse in any definitions, especially considering the context that Araq is supposed to be the most representative figure of the community.

Charitably reading his comment, I think he sees questions about a "foundation", "organization", etc as the thin edge of a wedge for people with political agendas.

As a response to "Is there a Nim foundation?" it can be interpreted as "No, and there won't be, and this is why..."

Having said that, I like Nim, but have advised against using it in important projects for exactly this issue: it has bus factor 1 (ref https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor ).