I find it really lame that this article includes a long list of "fails" instead of successful examples.
Successful confessions are all alike; every unsuccessful confession is unsuccessful in its own way. Slightly more seriously, the format of a confession is pretty basic ("I like you, wanna hang?") and the article does include several canonical versions. But at the end of day it's just confirming that the attraction is mutual, and most of the fails are about randos totally failing this part.
Kokuhaku: Japan’s Love Confessing Culture (2013)
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Not the point of the article, but this is a personal bugbear of mine - no it wasn't. Text-based communication is asynchronous. That's irrelevant. They still get a notification to disturb them, they still can see it when looking at their phone, they can still be concerned about the content and how to respond later even if they don't answer, they can still be concerned about the content even if they don't read it, th…
They get a notification if they have chosen to receive notifications. It's not like the sender forces themselves upon someone else.
What if they don't want to stop notifications?
What if they don't know how to do it?
What if they want to still get one from the child or partner or friend who's travelling if anything happens to them?
Should they turn it on and off for your convenience, lest you have to forego sending a non-essential text at night?
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#53> In Western culture, if someone suddenly and unexpectedly confessed this to you so quickly you would start running, I think. As a Chinese I can't wrap my head around the concept of running away because someone loves you. So to enter a relationship with someone you have to not love them while still loving them...?! Do western people all have fear of commitment? I'm just glad I'm married now (to a Chinese girl) and no…
Mainstream American culture conceives of amorous relationships as fundamentally a fantasy of fortunate spontaneity, "the stars and planets coming into alignment", rather than something explicitly worked at formally; formalism, explicit terms, these are antagonistic and disrupt this fantasy of things 'just happening', and so have to be carefully approached, if at all. This is not exhaustive, America is a big place, bu…
Because it happens all the time, it's no fantasy at all. You might not like it, but it very much exists. It's not just something from the movies, it's how basically everyone I know who's married got started.
You're right that arranged marriage is very much anathema to mainstream American culture, since arguably the most central value of the country is that of individual choice/liberty.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this and the other comments here show an important cultural difference: Western culture places more emphasis on personal responsibility: if you don't want to be disturbed, the expectation is that you turn off notifications. Japanese culture seems to be the opposite, in that you expect others to know you do not want to be disturbed, and thus you don't bother with turning off notifications.
Western culture is not an unified blob, as it encompasses wildly different languages, customs, and peoples, ranging from Sweden to Mexico. And just the same, Japanese people are not one unified blob and each have their own preferences regarding texting, just like the rest of us.
It's about defaults and majority/average preferences, not about "every single one does this" and it gets tiring to remind people otherwise, as if they don't know.
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#55I read carefully the first half of the article then scanned the rest, so I may have missed it; it didn't seem to also mention "The moon is beautiful, isn't it?", which is a poetic way of saying I love you as well: https://www.tsuki.world/world/the-moon-is-beautiful-isnt-it https://www.wikihow.com/The-Moon-Is-Beautiful-Isn%27t-It
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#56> In Western culture, if someone suddenly and unexpectedly confessed this to you so quickly you would start running, I think. As a Chinese I can't wrap my head around the concept of running away because someone loves you. So to enter a relationship with someone you have to not love them while still loving them...?! Do western people all have fear of commitment? I'm just glad I'm married now (to a Chinese girl) and no…
> So to enter a relationship with someone you have to not love them while still loving them...? It's weird and even offending to hear "I love you" (said seriously) from a person who doesn't know you well. My take is that you can say you are _in_ love and this may sound fine if delivered right. Still, better be sure that there is at least some mutual sympathy. Also highly language-specific I guess. EDIT: I personally…
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
They get a notification if they have chosen to receive notifications. It's not like the sender forces themselves upon someone else.
Now on top of annoying them, now you're dictating their phone settings too? What if they don't want to stop notifications? What if they don't know how to do it? What if they want to still get one from the child or partner or friend who's travelling if anything happens to them? Should they turn it on and off for your convenience, lest you have to forego sending a non-essential text at night?
The receiver has full agency of when they receive notifications and of whom. In fact a person NOT sending a message and keeping it stored later is, in fact, taking away agency of the receiver. The sender assumes he knows better then the receivers.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Surprising for me. Can you maybe share some links?
Not really, just some anecdotes.
He said, not sharing the anecdotes :)
Having lived in the US all my life I'd love to hear more. Even if you don't want to share the anecdotes I'd be curious to know which European countries do this.
And if you don't want to share that's fine, too. If I want 'slice of life' anecdotes there's always This American Life :)
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#59> In Western culture, if someone suddenly and unexpectedly confessed this to you so quickly you would start running, I think. As a Chinese I can't wrap my head around the concept of running away because someone loves you. So to enter a relationship with someone you have to not love them while still loving them...?! Do western people all have fear of commitment? I'm just glad I'm married now (to a Chinese girl) and no…
My understanding is that when someone gives you a gift, in Chinese culture there is a social obligation to give them a gift of similar value at some point in the future. So giving a very expensive gift can be a very rude gesture, because it effectively inflicts a large, unexpected expense on the recipient.
In Western culture, there is a similar dynamic when it comes to dating and courtship. The general expectation is that men will ask the women they are interested in, and the women will then accept or refuse the offer. The difficulty with this is that it puts women in the position of having to reject someone who is 20 cm taller/20 kg heavier than them -- this can be very scary.
So it is artful/polite for a man asking a woman out, especially in the initial stages, to do so in a way that is ambiguous enough that if she decides she doesn't want to continue, she can back away without having to forcefully reject him. An overly strong confession of love removes this ambiguity, and thereby forces a woman into the uncomfortable position of having to directly reject the man. This is rude, in exactly the same way that giving someone an overly-expensive gift is rude in Chinese culture.
Naturally, though, in China very close friends wouldn't be bothered by how expensive gifts are, and that in the West, a woman pining for a particular man would be delighted if he directly declared his love for her. But we have etiquette to handle the failure cases, not the success cases!
Anyway, I'm always surprised how even though people are basically the same everywhere, and share the same desires and impulses, we end up building very different cultures. It's just amazing how situations can be radically different and utterly familiar at the same time.
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#60It's definitely just like.
Sure, we say "I loved that donut" or "I love her personality!" but you'd never just straight-up say "I love you" with that meaning because it would be completely misunderstood.
So this whole article seems premised on a mistranslation that the author brings up but never actually admits.