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China Has $3T of ‘Hidden’ Currency Reserves, Setser Says

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Re: China Has $3T of ‘Hidden’ Currency Reserves, Setser Says

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Its by design. Military is a separate entity from domestic elected government the world over. If you know anyone who is in the leadership side of the military or in the state dept, its very interesting having conversations learning about how these agencies view the world and how actual power is manifested.

Frankly it's bullshit. The Putinist narrative that democracy is a sham makes sense for a man isolated from the real world that doesn't use the internet, but it's stunning to me how disconnected some people in the west can be from the society they live in. I have family in the British military at a moderately high level. A friend was a researcher for an MP, and another a government adviser. Sure politics is messy, it'…

Trump is case in point of the two government system between elected power and longstanding unelected power that remains between elections. He was just a loud mouthpiece to appease his political base basically. He, like presidents before him, did not do anything substantial to buck the steady march of the us hegemony. He was not unilaterally making any decisions. There is a lot of business in government and in military that the president is never briefed in. We like to think presidents are like a Napoleon figure, charismatic and in full control, but government would be so unstable if that were to be true and to turn over every four years. They are simply the presiding spokesperson of the hegemony, which is too large and well incentivized for the status quo for any one individual to meaningfully influence.

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I agree. The US (and other western countries) have let themselves fall victim to all sorts of corrupt ideologies; this has created short term 'limited liability' reward structures which have encouraged a short term mindset. Instead of focusing on fixing internal issues, the US decided to run their economy on the misery of others by starting wars in faraway lands, manipulating foreign governments, saddling them with d…

> The smartest thing the west can do from now on is dump fiat currencies, switch to crypto Seriously? WTF?

This is why we can’t have good things!

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Zeihan never shows "just" data. Otherwise he would show PRC has significantly more navigable rivers kms and better port capacity than US. Instead he'll talk US being blessed with more rivers, and deeper coasts for ports. When geopolitics makes US look bad, he'll cherry pick the geo, or the politics to make competitors look worse. Per the graphs, you're falling for unsubstantiated (borderline retarded) Zeihan visualiz…

> PRC has significantly more navigable rivers kms and better port capacity than US Rivers in mountains and low quality soil, not connected to any productive land. Look up any map on agriculture land and you'll see their soil quality. It's bad. Compare that with the USA and Argentina. We have both the best in the world. Then look up how much fertilizer is used in their agriculture, per hectares of arable land. It's ba…

On water, hence huge infra and water transfer projects. Again conditions permitting, the POLITICS can address/mitigate GEO in geopolitics. The reality is PRC water ways are most heavily utilized in the world, meanwhile US waterways, which also requires expensive infra upkeep (read US army engineer corp work), which US Has neglected due to lack of mass infra capability, to the point that climate change is making US river networks too shallow to even transport bulk agri goods. Zeihan has to jerk off to US train network because US lack the infra capabilites to make her rivers work to potential. Yes PRC geo may be "worse" than US on paper, but it's not so worse that coordinated PRC human intervensions can overcome and engineer competitive advantage when lacking natural blessings. People seem to forget PRC geography sustained dominant Chinese societies for 1000s of years. It may not be as blessed CONUS, but it's not antartica, ultimately Chinese geography is better than most of the world for human flourishing. That's why there's 1.4B people there.

On soil/ag, yes per capita PRC land/water resources limited, but reality is PRC is increasing absolute food security, per capita staples production went from 350kg to 400kg over 20 years with 200M extra people. That's absolute food security in terms of calories. Which BTW since population are net declining, resource stress will only reduce over time. Fertlizer consumption also digression, it's mainly due to PRC choosing to (successfully) spam fertlizer while taking time to figure out GMO agri policy and agriculture being makework jobs or 200m famers when really GMO+automated large scale agri can optimize. It's a politcs issue being addressed, but it's not the wanking material PRC collapsists want it to be. Yes it's more constrained than US agri powerhouse, unless full blown maritime war (queue Zeihan blockade meme), in which case everyone, including US will starve because reality is, PRC conventional missiles can take out 150 US refineries to stop most energy/agri inputs (including fertilizer). Because once again, POLITICS, in this case technology, can trump geography. I surmise Zeihan will still laud US shale/energy autakry when reality points to US losing actual energy security because gunpower can now pierce his "fortress America".

On PRC political instutions, they're fine/great. His entire argument over cliques and wealth transfer between provinces (which US does between states), is more PRC collapse talk for his audience who laps it up. Like PRC didn't become first competitor US seriously worries about threatening US primacy since WW2 (i.e. more so than USSR) for doing a "bad" job. For reference most of PRC defense modernization, moving up value chain, leading innovation/R&D indexes happened in last 10 years, after Why Nations Fail. To throw Zeihan bone, his assessment on PRC military might have been closer to truth in the 2010s based on info from 2000s, but this isn't 2000s anymore. There's a reason Zeihan doesn't get invited to any credible think tanks to talk - he doesn't actually know much of the politics.

On demographics, this is where popularizing of simplistic Zeihan analysis from naive population pyramids readings generates the most basic collapists narrative. Especially when talking about geopolitics / strategic competition. It's not just the general demographic trend that determines outcomes - it's not subsistence farmers driving up productivity and building national power but skilled labour coordinated at scale. Most of East Asian tigers with shit TFR grew massively and are leading various strategic tech industries because they simply had more aggregate talent than previous generations. Now consider PRC is generating more STEM than OECD combined (~5m), because even with bad TFR and 20% youth unemployment, PRC massive population baseline is producing the greatest high skill demographic divident in recorded history. Without exaggeration, literally never in human history will so many educated / skilled bodies been produced and coordinated within one country, multiple times more than US an absorb via immigration. Sure, PRC net demographic decline might be a factor starting in 2050s (not a death spiral because PRC high savings/ownership insulates), but for next 30 years, and especially within frame of Zeihans geopolitical competition, PRC has the greatest demographic potential in the world, , and it's not even close. Consider 2000 PRC GDP was ~1T @ ~2M STEM grads, 2022 GDP ~18T @ ~17M STEM. All recent news of PRC leading in various S&T, R&D, industries etc? Lag effect from 2010s when PRC had less than 17M STEM. Now project to 2030 with STEM @ ~50M, likely topout ~80-100M @ 2050. This simply reflects PRC demographics moving from 25% skilled work force to 60-80% like developed countries, i.e. it's not going to stagnate like JP who simply can't produce enough skilled talent at parity. PRC for next 30+ years is going to gain significantly more productive people even if there's less people. And when they stagnate/decline from when net population loss actually effects that cohort, they'll be doing so from a much higher baseline than now. Also less net people = less import dependency which Zeihan likes to wank about. TLDR is PRC relative to geopolitical constraints, currently has probably the the most FAVOURABLE demographic trends for geopolitical competition.

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> PRC has significantly more navigable rivers kms and better port capacity than US Rivers in mountains and low quality soil, not connected to any productive land. Look up any map on agriculture land and you'll see their soil quality. It's bad. Compare that with the USA and Argentina. We have both the best in the world. Then look up how much fertilizer is used in their agriculture, per hectares of arable land. It's ba…

On water, hence huge infra and water transfer projects. Again conditions permitting, the POLITICS can address/mitigate GEO in geopolitics. The reality is PRC water ways are most heavily utilized in the world, meanwhile US waterways, which also requires expensive infra upkeep (read US army engineer corp work), which US Has neglected due to lack of mass infra capability, to the point that climate change is making US ri…

> That's absolute food security in terms of calories.

No.

Despite its domestic production, China has been a net importer [DOC] of agricultural products since 2004. Today, it imports more of these products—including soybeans, corn, wheat, rice, and dairy products—than any other country. Between 2000 and 2020, the country’s food self-sufficiency ratio decreased from 93.6 percent to 65.8 percent.

https://www.cfr.org/article/china-increasingly-relies-import...

> On PRC political instutions, they're fine/great.

No.

China’s economic freedom score is 48.3, making its economy the 154th freest in the 2023 Index.

https://www.heritage.org/index/country/china

China’s authoritarian regime has become increasingly repressive in recent years. The ruling Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is tightening its control over the state bureaucracy, the media, online speech, religious groups, universities, businesses, and civil society associations, and it has undermined its own already modest rule-of-law reforms.

Score: 9/100.

https://freedomhouse.org/country/china/freedom-world/2021

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Not when they are built by Chinese companies, using Chinese sourced labour and supplies, and then the locals are taxed / billed to use them which many can't afford to begin with. Not to mention the governments now owing that loan money plus interest, none of which really went into the local economy. Not arguing against China, nor infrastructure projects, but B&R initiative is very China-centric, with a lot caveats th…

I love this condescending and infantilising tone of yours, regarding African governments as some gullible, uneducated bunches of toddlers that anyone can just walk in and take advantage of - as if they weren’t perfectly capable of signing their own deals. Fitting such casual “Africa dumb” and “China evil” sentiments in one nonchalant comment seems like such a weird specialty of this brainwashing and propaganda that w…

I love this condescending and infantilising tone of yours

Fitting such casual “Africa dumb” and “China evil”

None of this happened, you are hallucinating what other people said.

Re: China Has $3T of ‘Hidden’ Currency Reserves, Setser Says

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On water, hence huge infra and water transfer projects. Again conditions permitting, the POLITICS can address/mitigate GEO in geopolitics. The reality is PRC water ways are most heavily utilized in the world, meanwhile US waterways, which also requires expensive infra upkeep (read US army engineer corp work), which US Has neglected due to lack of mass infra capability, to the point that climate change is making US ri…

> That's absolute food security in terms of calories. No. Despite its domestic production, China has been a net importer [DOC] of agricultural products since 2004. Today, it imports more of these products—including soybeans, corn, wheat, rice, and dairy products—than any other country. Between 2000 and 2020, the country’s food self-sufficiency ratio decreased from 93.6 percent to 65.8 percent. https://www.cfr.org/art…

Absolute food security = producing enough calories per capita indigenously to feed everyone. Which PRC does, ~4000 calories per day factoring in massive waste/spoilage in logistics system. So Yes. SSR is indication of PRC getting richer and importing more luxury foods, but that's not part of absolute food security.

Quoting freedom index, from heritage and freedhomhouse no less as proxy for state capacity is more asinine than using Zeihan stats and deserves even less of an effort response.

Re: China Has $3T of ‘Hidden’ Currency Reserves, Setser Says

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These currency reserves largely represent loans China issued abroad, which have been paid off (or are in the process of being served). Similar to Eurodollars in the past yielding outsized interest rates, increasing demand and thus dollar outflows, this shows a (perhaps?) unrecognized accumulation in China, which may very well either allow them to essentially print their own dollars or mean that they already have been…

I mean it's the gigantic elephant in the room. The reported narratives have aligned over the years as if they were our enemy. Here are some: Economically, they're an adversary; they undercut western manufacturing and all our manufacturing went there. They manipulate their currency. They interfere with foreign owned businesses. They steal IP. They're seeking to upset the global money standard. They entrap other nation…

The same logic could easily apply to every other manufacturing heavy country (Japan, India, etc). There are just as many unethical companies operating in the country (Dupont/Monsato/3M) hit by massive lawsuits. And trying to influence domestic issues in other countries has led to the numerous wars the US have started in modern times, not to mention the annexation of Hawaii because of blatant business interests.

the world is tired of the US finding applying double standards to whoever they want to make their enemy.

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> Economically, they're an adversary; they undercut western manufacturing and all our manufacturing went there. Wow, you make it sound like it was some devious Chinese plan where they intentionally made their people work for American manufacturers and lured them in with bribes. The reality was that American corporations willingly went over to China because number must go up and paying their own people living factory…

> America did it to itself. Corporations outsourced manufacturing to China, because American corporations are independent from the US government and profit-motivated.

yea corporations that are staunchly independent until the next recession where they beg for government handouts because they are too important to fail

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> That's absolute food security in terms of calories. No. Despite its domestic production, China has been a net importer [DOC] of agricultural products since 2004. Today, it imports more of these products—including soybeans, corn, wheat, rice, and dairy products—than any other country. Between 2000 and 2020, the country’s food self-sufficiency ratio decreased from 93.6 percent to 65.8 percent. https://www.cfr.org/art…

Absolute food security = producing enough calories per capita indigenously to feed everyone. Which PRC does, ~4000 calories per day factoring in massive waste/spoilage in logistics system. So Yes. SSR is indication of PRC getting richer and importing more luxury foods, but that's not part of absolute food security. Quoting freedom index, from heritage and freedhomhouse no less as proxy for state capacity is more asin…

None of your comments are backed up with data or evidence. Just like Ray Dalio, wishful thinking.

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> America did it to itself. Corporations outsourced manufacturing to China, because American corporations are independent from the US government and profit-motivated.

America is absolutely capable of setting tariffs on imports that would have made that unprofitable. In fact, that policy has been the norm at many times in countries precisely to protect domestic industry. So it's really more accurate to say that America chose to allow it to be profitable for corporations to outsource. Government policy could easily have been the opposite. So ultimately, America did do it to itself.…

this seems to misunderstand what tarrifs actually do. It's the US companies that pay the tarrifs. The concept of 'if we increase the tarrifs, US manufacturing will come back".

That's not how the world works. It takes years to switch a manufacturer depending on terms, who owns the molds, etc.

Placing tarrifs on China hurts American consumers. Instead, there should be tax incentives for producing stateside.

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