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Shifting views about psychedelic drugs require a new category for them

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Re: Shifting views about psychedelic drugs require a new category for them

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I think there's a lot more nuance than even that. Many psychedelics can trigger or exacerbate undesirable mental conditions that persist for the rest of your life.

Nah, they don’t cause undesirable mental conditions that persist for the rest of your life. Your “trip” is about 6-8 hours on a typical 3.5g dose.

What's your agenda? I seriously don't understand why you'd say such things, if HPPD and DP/DR are real.

Re: Shifting views about psychedelic drugs require a new category for them

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I've got a question for you. Some people are very carefree with their use of psychoactive drugs. I'd say nearly everyone I've ever seen post online about trying mushrooms, LSD, etc. has done it for fun (or the experience) instead of spiritual, psychological, or medicinal reasons. What risks are they exposing themselves to? I'd hate to have a friend hurt themselves.

Caffeine is a psychoactive drug.

And for those that can't metabolize it properly, it causes serious issues, from heart problems to chronic sleep deprivation to heavy mood swings and depression that can last months

Re: Shifting views about psychedelic drugs require a new category for them

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About two months ago I was at a festival with friends and a I had a psychedelic experience. What’s funny is earlier that day I had just told my friends “I know this sounds boring but I don’t like dancing that much.” Then while I was tripping I found that I was really enjoying the dancing. I felt like I was tapping in to a part of myself that had been dormant for a long time. I felt really confident and cool and sexy…

Sometimes people try psychedelics and have great experiences just like that! Sometimes they try psychedelics and they have baaaaaad experiences, that are essentially traumatic and result in lingering negative feelings. Risk versus reward! … but you don’t have to risk much, for your first time. Yes, tripping with your friends at a festival is great - but you can also do a little, on your own terms, to try it out, and…

They are not all equal. Not the people, the experience, the substance, or the sum of all.

Without study and care and the ability to be Frank about such things as purity, setting and set, those people are going to fail to realize any “reward”.

Re: Shifting views about psychedelic drugs require a new category for them

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I'm the author of the OP. Happy to talk more about the history of psychedelics. I also wanted to flag that if anyone is interested in some of the historical sources I cite here (such as the Jesuit talking about ayahuasca in the 18th century) I go into more detail in this journal article, which is open access: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/historical-journal/a...

Have you ever tried psychedelics yourself?

Re: Shifting views about psychedelic drugs require a new category for them

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I have been struggling a lot with dating. Despite being a quite social, and often popular guy to be around, there has been some block/hump that always stood in the way of dating. Funnily enough it struck me some weeks ago that I probably have to go on a psychadelic trip to rewire my brain to be able to show my interest romatically to others. What I'm scared of is the possibility of it having some other undesired effe…

> that I probably have to go on a psychadelic trip to rewire my brain Do you really need the permission of drugs to do what you want? You already have your outcome. You know where you are. To what end do you need the drugs? Let's say you do this trip.. and it turns out the thing blocking you from dating is that you were molested at a young age. Those memories come flooding back to you at 2am while you're sweating lik…

To sort of add to this, I’ve found that meditation has had far more profound effects than psychedelics ever did. Maybe they help to kick start things or show how much of yourself you don’t know.

Re: Shifting views about psychedelic drugs require a new category for them

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post #52

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I think there's a lot more nuance than even that. Many psychedelics can trigger or exacerbate undesirable mental conditions that persist for the rest of your life.

Nah, they don’t cause undesirable mental conditions that persist for the rest of your life. Your “trip” is about 6-8 hours on a typical 3.5g dose.

As someone who is very much in favor of legalizing psychadelics and has enjoyed his experiences with them:

No, there is a lot of strong evidence that psychadelic trips can trigger underlying issues such as schizophrenia, etc.

However, some portion of these people would have it triggered these latent illnesses regardless of the use of these substances. The hard to answer question is how many people would develop these conditions without the drug use, if the drug use significantly accelerated it, etc.

On the subject of HPPD, I am more skeptical. It's very poorly understood, and there's been correlation shown for just about any sort of psychoactive substance, SSRIs, etc. Studies have claimed that anywhere from 5% to 25% of people who have taken recreational psychoactive drugs are impacted by it. Which, well, I have not done and am not qualified to do such a study, but having spoken to hundreds of users of psychadelic drugs over several decades and never encountering a single person who claimed to experience HPPD, it's hard to square up my anecdotal experiences with some of the reports.

Something is going on there - there's enough people that report the symptoms that I don't believe it's made up or anything like that - but it doesn't seem to be nearly as simply as "Anyone that does recreational drugs has a chance of developing HPPD"

Re: Shifting views about psychedelic drugs require a new category for them

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Let me put it in another way: safety profile of MDMA is better than lots and lots of other clinically approved drugs. And much safer than substances like alcohol, that are not only neurotoxic but hepatotoxic, carcinogenic, highly addictive and with worse withdrawal. There was a time when MDMA was prescribed to thousands of people, and nobody had a problem. Of course some people will always abuse any substance, we cur…

You're continuing to make bad claims. I'm taking the time to debunk them because the safety of people reading these comments is important to me. MDMA is far more neurotoxic than alcohol. The oxidative stress put on the brain is potent. When you add elevated body temperature, which most folks on MDMA are likely to find themselves experiencing (dancing, hot club, lots of people), the damage climbs precipitously. In pri…

Would it be possible to provide some of these studies?

Whenever I look I can only find reference to long term exposure, and meta-studies reviewing more moderate use seem to show minimal, if any, issues, e.g. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S014976341...

To my knowledge, the one study that people held up as showing damage from MDMA usage after a single dose was later retracted, as they had mixed up the vials of MDMA and methamphetamine. They were never able to replicate the results after resolving this mistake. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retracted_article_on_dopaminer...

Disclaimer: I have taken MDMA a couple of times over the years, though I have never particularly enjoyed the experience and have never considered doing it regularly.

Re: Shifting views about psychedelic drugs require a new category for them

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Whatever you do please don't advocate to replace ssri with psychedelics. Listen to a doctor or psychiatrist, just like it was for vaccines. And avoid personal anecdote, they have little value compared to what a doctor says. Thanks in advance.

My doc is great at medicine, knows fuck-all about tripping.

Re: Shifting views about psychedelic drugs require a new category for them

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I'm curious why you're dissatisfied with the organically arrived at "folk taxonomic" category: psychedelics . Are you looking for a new classification in law?

In my country, LSD, mescaline, magic mushrooms, and DMT, are class A controlled substances, same as methamphetamine, cocaine, heroin and fentanyl. Class A being drugs that pose a "very high risk of harm". Which, you know, if I could post comments on our legislation, I'd be adding a bunch of "[citation needed]"s in that list of substances that apparently have a very high risk of harm. And like other jurisdictions, the…

We had/have case back home in our rather primitive country re this, where former professional athlete started having joint issues in later age. He started growing hemp/weed for his own use, I guess he crossed 0.7% threshold for THC. He made ointments and tinctures for him, and you can't do that with 1 plant, not for serious use during whole year.

They caught him, and they are trying him like some mob kingpin, facing decades in jail and IIRC he got such sentence. EU country. Former olympic representant of our country, self medicating since current medicine can't treat him well enough.

Kill a person in cold blood, rape a child or two and you get maybe 1/3rd of that sentence. Fuck that place, never coming back.

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