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People didn’t leave because of the bad decisions. They left because Musk said he wanted “hardcore” people who’d work 80 hour weeks. Turns out masochism isn’t correlated with great engineering.
yeah its correlated with getting deported from the US if you lose your employer
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Well "forced to execute" is somewhat subjective. If you are convinced leadership is doing the "wrong thing," then best to either leave or accept that you're just collecting your paycheck. In the case of Twitter, the new owner has thoroughly broken the advertising business and is trying to aggressively pursue a new version of the data business Twitter once had-- E.g. Google's Caffeine, which Twitter also eventually lo…
I don't understand why anyone, at any job that is not C-level, has an attitude of anything other than collecting your paycheck. I care about my professional reputation and my career, but I don't care at all about the well-being of the company that has hired me to perform some task. I will advise to the best of my ability, but if they blow themselves up, why should I lose any sleep? That's their problem, not mine. Det…
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The arrogance of the guy is so huge, hubris does not touch him. Thoughts are with the programmers. What I’m more surprised about is how gum and shoestring the twitter engineering is now a days. They put in no emphasis on doing deep divides into the code base and instead opt to do the simplest shortest fix. And it causes problems.
Applying the simplest shortest fix can sometimes be a good method to synchronize the state of the code with management. Instead of engineering trying to buffer and fix weird management decisions, this just exposes them.
Elon strikes me as worse because he likes to think he understands what his engineers know.
Who knew that firing all of your software engineers could make for bad software.
Speaking from very painful, personal experience, few things are more agitating than being forced to execute on something you fully know is a horrible idea, especially when you tried and failed to communicate this fact to the individual pushing you to go against your best judgement. Even more so when that person later loudly proclaims that they never made such a request, even when provided with written proof. I can of…
But when a higher-up so clearly takes responsibility of something that is risky but deemed necessary, it provides for a lot better space to also respond to any potential problems that pop up, while not needing to suffer snarky comments in hindsight as a dev.
Of course something like this is easier to hate on ...
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People didn’t leave because of the bad decisions. They left because Musk said he wanted “hardcore” people who’d work 80 hour weeks. Turns out masochism isn’t correlated with great engineering.
I think there may be a disconnect between what Musk says and the reality on the ground. Enough so that I, given such a situation, would wait around a little bit to see how things played out before jumping ship. But as I said in my original comment, I’ve sprinted away from toxicity before, and will do so again if it becomes obvious.
Nobody good stays during ALL of this.
Speaking from very painful, personal experience, few things are more agitating than being forced to execute on something you fully know is a horrible idea, especially when you tried and failed to communicate this fact to the individual pushing you to go against your best judgement. Even more so when that person later loudly proclaims that they never made such a request, even when provided with written proof. I can of…
At least once have I done a CC blast as a form of insurance when being asked to do something absolutely boneheaded.
That usually gets them to sit up and reconsider.
Occasionally they sign the damned thing, and then it’s popcorn “I told you so” time.
Speaking from very painful, personal experience, few things are more agitating than being forced to execute on something you fully know is a horrible idea, especially when you tried and failed to communicate this fact to the individual pushing you to go against your best judgement. Even more so when that person later loudly proclaims that they never made such a request, even when provided with written proof. I can of…
The push to "make the content less user friendly" and push then to our app/logged in experience is similar to reddit's push and it doesn't really present an insurmountable challenge on the technical side.
These technical hurdles are temporary. Not the end of the world. The "only in our app/only logged in" requirements are bad on a philosophical level of user choice, not on the "this is terrible technically" side.
Attacking it on that note is just perpetuating the narrative where elonmuskmanbad (which is more political than consistent with the treatment others get) above more specific truths.
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Someone pointed out that it looks like most of the workers that stayed at Twitter appear to be foreign born and are probably reliant on Twitter's sponsorship of their H1-B visa. https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7z5px/twitter-employees-on-...
Can sponsored H1-B visa holders look for another sponsorship to try to switch jobs, or would they get deported after resigning from "hardcore Twitter"?
I would imagine a lot of the H1 b visa holders are there just to let their visa run out while making some money.
Anyway it doesn't matter. This isn't and engineer problem. It's a management problem. The management is the definition of incompetent.
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> The people at Twitter who understood the system and could predict the side effects were all fired or left. You have zero idea if that is true or not.
About 80% of Twitter was laid off or quit. I think it's a reasonable supposition that a good number of those were critical personnel who felt they could get a better deal somewhere else.
Demonizing past hard decisions at every unrelated point of difficulty has to be the worst kind of toxicity there is.